[TomToWin]

Jeremy Corbyn= racist old man.

[DemolitionRed]

And why now? Why now is stuff being dug up from years ago.

The only thing that I'm angry with Corbyn about is his and his teams stubbornness to dish the same dirt back at the Tory party. We can do it but its to a minute audience. What the **** is wrong with Labour that they won't do this?

Hopefully the Russians are going to let something big out of the bag about May. They've said they will.

[jet]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Um Russia performed a chemical attack on our country. Let's not be flippant about it.



One of the things I find quite disturbing on all this is the complete denial by some people. Even the most ardent supporter should be looking at this and thinking, well is there a problem here rather than desperately trying to attack and blame the opposition. There is loyalty and then there is blind faith.

I find the blind faith and denial about this and other issues concerning Corbyn is becoming too far - fetched now. Nobody can be that blinkered. Is it really denial or is it a not too well - concealed secret agreement of his actions?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jet

I find the blind faith and denial about this and other issues concerning Corbyn is becoming too far - fetched now. Nobody can be that blinkered. Is it really denial or is it a not too well - concealed secret agreement of his actions?

Oh come on, you have blind faith. You put 2 and 2 together and come up with 6 if it suits your agenda.

Anyway, I still think Corbyn will win the election because the majority of people (minus the right wing) can see this for what it is.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh come on, you have blind faith. You put 2 and 2 together and come up with 6 if it suits your agenda.

Anyway, I still think Corbyn will win the election because the majority of people (minus the right wing) can see this for what it is.

I have blind faith in what?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Kizzy, everything you post is just "its a big conspiracy" by the ruling elite



Its your basic line of defense for everything. You have backed a loser here and you will have to come to terms with this?

ok

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I see this for what it is the last ditch attempt by an establishment to rid it of someone.

End of, no amount of omigodicantbelieveyoujustsaidthat will change that.
The govt is in turmoil so something massive had to be found, this is it.

It wasn't that long ago that Corbynites like yourself where saying that the more he is targeted, the more his support grows and the more likely he is to win.
So which is it?
You should be delighted surely?

[TomToWin]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh come on, you have blind faith. You put 2 and 2 together and come up with 6 if it suits your agenda.

Anyway, I still think Corbyn will win the election because the majority of people (minus the right wing) can see this for what it is.

The bitter old racist wont even be in the labour party by the time an election comes round.

He is finished, nail down that coffin and call the balaclava clad IRA gun salute.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

It wasn't that long ago that Corbynites like yourself where saying that the more he is targeted, the more his support grows and the more likely he is to win.
So which is it?
You should be delighted surely?

At the moment I'm just hoping he doesn't step down.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

At the moment I'm just hoping he doesn't step down.

I am hoping he does tbh. And this time last year I saw him as the countries saviour. Total turnaround in a very short space of time

However, no idea who should replace him if he does. the whole party seems to have gone to ****.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

At the moment I'm just hoping he doesn't step down.

I wish he would and take Abbott and McDonnell with him.
The terrorist arse - licking Trio.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh come on, you have blind faith. You put 2 and 2 together and come up with 6 if it suits your agenda.

Anyway, I still think Corbyn will win the election because the majority of people (minus the right wing) can see this for what it is.

There are plenty who would not vote for Corbyn and his ridiculous policies who are not right wing. To suggest otherwise is total denial. But if you say it enough times ...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I am hoping he does tbh. And this time last year I saw him as the countries saviour. Total turnaround in a very short space of time

However, no idea who should replace him if he does. the whole party seems to have gone to ****.

I kind of like Hilary Benn, even though he and I don't agree on the EU. He has a lot more charisma than Jeremy and seems less extreme. Hilary seems somehow genuine where Jeremy feels like he is hiding who he really is to get into the job. I think I could possibly vote for Hilary at this point, though maybe not until after Brexit as I don't trust Labour on Brexit at all.

[DemolitionRed]

A dossier on racism within the Tory party

The cases include Tory elected representatives using racist abuse like “*****”, “pikies”, and “piccaninnies” – as well as several anti-semitic or Islamophobic remarks. But most appear to have been allowed to continue their membership and even to represent the Conservative Party.

A Brief Chronology

In January 2015 a former aide to both Margaret Thatcher and John Major described the Conservative Party as “essentially racist”. Just last month lifetime Tory voter and Daily Mail
columnist Peter Oborne described Zac Goldsmith’s Islamophobic London mayoral campaign as the “most repulsive I have ever seen”

https://www.unitetheunion.org/upload...IN11-26629.pdf

In 1989, David Cameron defied international sanctions to go on a jolly to apartheid South Africa1 on a trip funded by a firm that lobbied against the imposition of sanctions on the apartheid regime.

In a 2002 column for the Daily Telegraph, Boris Johnson (then MP for Henley) described black people as “piccaninnies” with “watermelon smiles”.

While editor of The Spectator, then Tory MP Boris Johnson published an article that said “blacks have lower IQs”. Another article from around the same time said that Caribbeans were "multiplying like flies"

In February 2009, Bolton Conservative councillor Bob Allen posted a picture of a gorilla alongside a critical comment about an Asian Labour councillor on a blog

In March 2009, Leicestershire Tory councillor Robert Fraser said that Romanians would "stick a knife in you as soon as look at you", as well as insulting East Europeans and the Irish, saying “Some of these European ones, they make the Irish look like complete amateurs and I would dread, I would dread, to see them in Groby

In November 2009, Tory MP for Spelthorne, David Wilshire, said the expose of MPs expenses left them treated like Jews in Nazi Germany, stating “Branding a whole group of people as undesirables led to Hitler’s gas chambers”

In January 2010, Tory councillor for Colne, Smith Benson, complained that there were “too many P***s” in his town. Council Leader Tony Beckett refused to discipline him and said, “I think for the Labour Party to say he should be sacked for making a sweeping statement is a bit strong.”

In January 2011, Baroness Warsi gave a speech about rising Islamophobia. Tory Lord Tebbit wrote a blog dismissing her case and saying “a period of silence from the Baroness might not come amiss.”

In August 2011, Tory Dover councillor Bob Frost described people involved in the riots as
“jungle bunnies”.

In December 2011, Tory MP for Cannock Chase, Aidan Burley, helped organise a Nazi-themed stag party.

In January 2013, an Enfield Tory councillor Chris Joannides compared Muslim children to black bin bags in a Facebook post.

In April 2013, Tory councillor for West Sussex, John Cherry, told the Mail on Sunday, "Ninety-seven per cent of pupils will be black or Asian. It depends what type of Asian. If they're Chinese they'll rise to the top. If they're Indian they'll rise to the top. If they're Pakistani they won't,”

In April 2014, a Tory Barnet councillor, Tom Davey, was accused of being not fit for office, after a Facebook post came to light in which he suggested it might be easier to find a job if he were “a black female wheelchair-bound amputee who is sexually attracted to other women”.
No disciplinary action was taken by the Conservative Party.

In May 2014, David Bishop, a Tory council candidate in Brentwood, Essex, tweeted "It's good to be anti-Islam” and called Islam “the religion of peace & rape”

In May 2014, Tory Coulsdon activist Stephen Lees tweeted “Every single Muslim should be expelled from this country – not deported – expelled, and every mosque demolished.

In August 2014 UCL Conservative Society was under scrutiny for a series of anti-semitic, Islamophobic and racist remarks, fostering a culture of discrimination and bullying, and creating a “toxic” environment. One comment included, “Jews own everything, we all know it’s true. I wish I was Jewish, but my nose isn’t long enough”

In October 2014, Maidenhead Tory councillor Alan Mellins suggested complained about Travellers and said the solution was to “Execute them.”

In January 2015, a Conservative councillor for Bishop’s Stortford was accused of anti-semitism for a tweet and condemned by Tory MP Robert Halfon as “abhorrent” and “unacceptable”

In April 2015, a Tory candidate for Derby Council, Gulzabeen Afsar, said she would never support “the Jew” in reference to Ed Miliband.

In October 2015, a Tory councillor in Rugby, Jim Buckley, tweeted re: Sadiq Khan,
“Your next London Mayor? You think his corner shop would be open on a Saturday?

In February 2016, Glasgow Tory councillor David Meikle accused the SNP of anti-semitism for opposing the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land

In March 2016, the deputy provost of South Ayrshire Council, Tory councillor Mary Kilpatrick backed attacks on fasting during Ramadan and calls to outlaw Muslim veils.

Boris Johnson, Tory MP and current Mayor of London, wrote in an article for The Sun in April 2016, that asserted that US president Barack Obama had an “ancestral dislike” of Britain, and described him as “part-Kenyan”.

In April 2016, Fareham Tory councillor David Whittingham mimicked foreign accents, said he didn’t want foreigners living in his road and made comments and behaviour that were “racist in nature”

In April 2016, the deputy chairman of Bradford Conservative Association, Abdul Zaman, made inappropriate comments about Jews and women while speaking at a launch event for the local election campaign.

[jaxie]

This thread isn't about the Tory party, start one if you want to have a rant.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

A dossier on racism within the Tory party

The cases include Tory elected representatives using racist abuse like “*****”, “pikies”, and “piccaninnies” – as well as several anti-semitic or Islamophobic remarks. But most appear to have been allowed to continue their membership and even to represent the Conservative Party.

A Brief Chronology

In January 2015 a former aide to both Margaret Thatcher and John Major described the Conservative Party as “essentially racist”. Just last month lifetime Tory voter and Daily Mail
columnist Peter Oborne described Zac Goldsmith’s Islamophobic London mayoral campaign as the “most repulsive I have ever seen”

https://www.unitetheunion.org/upload...IN11-26629.pdf

In 1989, David Cameron defied international sanctions to go on a jolly to apartheid South Africa1 on a trip funded by a firm that lobbied against the imposition of sanctions on the apartheid regime.

In a 2002 column for the Daily Telegraph, Boris Johnson (then MP for Henley) described black people as “piccaninnies” with “watermelon smiles”.

While editor of The Spectator, then Tory MP Boris Johnson published an article that said “blacks have lower IQs”. Another article from around the same time said that Caribbeans were "multiplying like flies"

In February 2009, Bolton Conservative councillor Bob Allen posted a picture of a gorilla alongside a critical comment about an Asian Labour councillor on a blog

In March 2009, Leicestershire Tory councillor Robert Fraser said that Romanians would "stick a knife in you as soon as look at you", as well as insulting East Europeans and the Irish, saying “Some of these European ones, they make the Irish look like complete amateurs and I would dread, I would dread, to see them in Groby

In November 2009, Tory MP for Spelthorne, David Wilshire, said the expose of MPs expenses left them treated like Jews in Nazi Germany, stating “Branding a whole group of people as undesirables led to Hitler’s gas chambers”

In January 2010, Tory councillor for Colne, Smith Benson, complained that there were “too many P***s” in his town. Council Leader Tony Beckett refused to discipline him and said, “I think for the Labour Party to say he should be sacked for making a sweeping statement is a bit strong.”

In January 2011, Baroness Warsi gave a speech about rising Islamophobia. Tory Lord Tebbit wrote a blog dismissing her case and saying “a period of silence from the Baroness might not come amiss.”

In August 2011, Tory Dover councillor Bob Frost described people involved in the riots as
“jungle bunnies”.

In December 2011, Tory MP for Cannock Chase, Aidan Burley, helped organise a Nazi-themed stag party.

In January 2013, an Enfield Tory councillor Chris Joannides compared Muslim children to black bin bags in a Facebook post.

In April 2013, Tory councillor for West Sussex, John Cherry, told the Mail on Sunday, "Ninety-seven per cent of pupils will be black or Asian. It depends what type of Asian. If they're Chinese they'll rise to the top. If they're Indian they'll rise to the top. If they're Pakistani they won't,”

In April 2014, a Tory Barnet councillor, Tom Davey, was accused of being not fit for office, after a Facebook post came to light in which he suggested it might be easier to find a job if he were “a black female wheelchair-bound amputee who is sexually attracted to other women”.
No disciplinary action was taken by the Conservative Party.

In May 2014, David Bishop, a Tory council candidate in Brentwood, Essex, tweeted "It's good to be anti-Islam” and called Islam “the religion of peace & rape”

In May 2014, Tory Coulsdon activist Stephen Lees tweeted “Every single Muslim should be expelled from this country – not deported – expelled, and every mosque demolished.

In August 2014 UCL Conservative Society was under scrutiny for a series of anti-semitic, Islamophobic and racist remarks, fostering a culture of discrimination and bullying, and creating a “toxic” environment. One comment included, “Jews own everything, we all know it’s true. I wish I was Jewish, but my nose isn’t long enough”

In October 2014, Maidenhead Tory councillor Alan Mellins suggested complained about Travellers and said the solution was to “Execute them.”

In January 2015, a Conservative councillor for Bishop’s Stortford was accused of anti-semitism for a tweet and condemned by Tory MP Robert Halfon as “abhorrent” and “unacceptable”

In April 2015, a Tory candidate for Derby Council, Gulzabeen Afsar, said she would never support “the Jew” in reference to Ed Miliband.

In October 2015, a Tory councillor in Rugby, Jim Buckley, tweeted re: Sadiq Khan,
“Your next London Mayor? You think his corner shop would be open on a Saturday?

In February 2016, Glasgow Tory councillor David Meikle accused the SNP of anti-semitism for opposing the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land

In March 2016, the deputy provost of South Ayrshire Council, Tory councillor Mary Kilpatrick backed attacks on fasting during Ramadan and calls to outlaw Muslim veils.

Boris Johnson, Tory MP and current Mayor of London, wrote in an article for The Sun in April 2016, that asserted that US president Barack Obama had an “ancestral dislike” of Britain, and described him as “part-Kenyan”.

In April 2016, Fareham Tory councillor David Whittingham mimicked foreign accents, said he didn’t want foreigners living in his road and made comments and behaviour that were “racist in nature”

In April 2016, the deputy chairman of Bradford Conservative Association, Abdul Zaman, made inappropriate comments about Jews and women while speaking at a launch event for the local election campaign.

Please stay on the thread topic

Silly "yeah but look at XYZ they are worser" tactics and not wanted and are transparent for all to see.

[DemolitionRed]

This thread is about the Tory party trying to bring down the Labour Party. It has everything to do with the link and you know what. If you want to understand anything about anything, learn both sides of the story.

Or are you not interested in racist remarks made by the Tories?!?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jesus wept

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This thread is about the Tory party trying to bring down the Labour Party. It has everything to do with the link and you know what. If you want to understand anything about anything, learn both sides of the story.

Or are you not interested in racist remarks made by the Tories?!?

this thread is about the anti-Semitic nature of the labour party. Please keep on topic

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

this thread is about the anti-Semitic nature of the labour party. Please keep on topic

Did you even read the link? The anti-Semitic remarks made by the Tory's. Do they not count? are they somehow to be protected?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I kind of like Hilary Benn, even though he and I don't agree on the EU. He has a lot more charisma than Jeremy and seems less extreme. Hilary seems somehow genuine where Jeremy feels like he is hiding who he really is to get into the job. I think I could possibly vote for Hilary at this point, though maybe not until after Brexit as I don't trust Labour on Brexit at all.

I don't know much of Benn, but what I do know, he seems pretty decent.

I actually said at one stage that I would quite like jess Phillips, but the replies to that kind of proved she would never get the votes

With the whole Brexit thing, surely everything will be in motion and pretty much sorted by the time of the next election?

[Twosugars]

It does look like a concerted campaign to undermine Corbyn. Just sayin'.
As long as he's got support of Jewish members of Labour he's ok.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

It does look like a concerted campaign to undermine Corbyn. Just sayin'.
As long as he's got support of Jewish members of Labour he's ok.

to what end?

he isnt in power, no where near it and probably will retire soon

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Um Russia performed a chemical attack on our country. Let's not be flippant about it.

they didn't

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

they didn't

I think at this stage its pretty clear that it was Russia.

What I do think was possibly premature was blaming Putin.

I think there is a (small) chance it was not actually government sanctioned. And even a small chance should have stopped the (IMO) very premature finger pointing that we had going on.

Of course the biggest chance was that it was government sanctioned. But I think the response was possibly too hasty, especially considering that Putin is a crazy son of a bitch and could just declare war