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[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think at this stage its pretty clear that it was Russia.

What I do think was possibly premature was blaming Putin.

I think there is a (small) chance it was not actually government sanctioned. And even a small chance should have stopped the (IMO) very premature finger pointing that we had going on.

Of course the biggest chance was that it was government sanctioned. But I think the response was possibly too hasty, especially considering that Putin is a crazy son of a bitch and could just declare war

Putin said it wasn't them, if it was a military strike the ex spy would've been instantly killed

it is probably just a amateurish terrorist

[Vicky.]

I hate Wes Streeting with a passion. It was him that made the facebook group that was there simply to stalk women and threaten them, and my name was on the list of people to abuse. He should have been deselected over that tbh but nothing was done.

/offtopic I know

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Putin said it wasn't them, if it was a military strike the ex spy would've been instantly killed

it is probably just a amateurish terrorist

1. If it was Putin, he would hardly admit it
2. If it was Russia but not Putin, Putin would not know about it so he cannot possibly say it was not Russia.

Yes I do agree, if it was just about killing the guy, it would likely have been done in a different way IMO.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I hate Wes Streeting with a passion. It was him that made the facebook group that was there simply to stalk women and threaten them, and my name was on the list of people to abuse. He should have been deselected over that tbh but nothing was done.

/offtopic I know

Vote Labour..

[Twosugars]

lots of people are going to jump on this to get rid of Corbyn
the key is to address the antisemitism issue.
the problem for Corbyn is he seems enthusiastic about social media but quite naive when using it himself
he is also strongly pro-Palestine, but surely it is possible to be pro-Palestine without being antisemite?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

This thread isn't about the Tory party, start one if you want to have a rant.

I say it has relevance in this rant...

[Kizzy]

I would go as far as to say some of these 'standing up' are noting but blair stooges.

It's obvious to me :/

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This thread is about the Tory party trying to bring down the Labour Party. It has everything to do with the link and you know what. If you want to understand anything about anything, learn both sides of the story.

Or are you not interested in racist remarks made by the Tories?!?

No it isn't.
Where is your evidence that the Corbyn anti semitism claims are the work of the Torys? Produce it please...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I would go as far as to say some of these 'standing up' are noting but blair stooges.

It's obvious to me :/

Like it or not though, many Labour MPs and voters/members too are 'Blair stooges'. Blair had control of Labour for a long time so obviously a lot will be more centre than left. If all 'Blair stooges' are eliminated from the party, Labour would never have any chance at all tbh. I am not sure its wise to be alienating people in this way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by jet

No it isn't.
Where is your evidence that the Corbyn anti semitism claims are the work of the Torys? Produce it please...

You may have to wait a bit as she is off trying to find a link to back up

"40% of Tory members have been found to agree with at least some anti-Semitic statements"

from 2 pages back

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Like it or not though, many Labour MPs and voters/members too are 'Blair stooges'. Blair had control of Labour for a long time so obviously a lot will be more centre than left. If all 'Blair stooges' are eliminated from the party, Labour would never have any chance at all tbh. I am not sure its wise to be alienating people in this way.

true

[Vicky.]

I do think its partly smears tbh. Making huge fuss out of nothing kind of thing. However, so many little things seem to be adding up and its getting impossible to write off as just smears and exaggerations. Thats not to say I believe 100% of it, I do think some of it is blown up and maybe taken out of context. It IS entirely possible to be part of a facebook group where members express unsavoury views without noticing those members, same as its possible to comment on a facebook post without reading all of the replies before your post. But, the dossier thing MTVN posted seems pretty damning IMO. And again, it does seem to be many small things adding up to a larger picture, if that makes sense.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Did you even read the link? The anti-Semitic remarks made by the Tory's. Do they not count? are they somehow to be protected?

That's just paranoia. Start a new thread if you want to talk about random out of context remarks by Tories.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I do think its partly smears tbh. Making huge fuss out of nothing kind of thing. However, so many little things seem to be adding up and its getting impossible to write off as just smears and exaggerations. Thats not to say I believe 100% of it, I do think some of it is blown up and maybe taken out of context. It IS entirely possible to be part of a facebook group where members express unsavoury views without noticing those members, same as its possible to comment on a facebook post without reading all of the replies before your post. But, the dossier thing MTVN posted seems pretty damning IMO. And again, it does seem to be many small things adding up to a larger picture, if that makes sense.

To what end?

I cant see the average punter being that bothered if he hates jews/israel (no disrespect intended to jews) but they would be like "yeah so?"

This wont budge anyone in the locals coming up. The Government are way to busy with Brexit and Russia and running the economy.

Its not realistic

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Like it or not though, many Labour MPs and voters/members too are 'Blair stooges'. Blair had control of Labour for a long time so obviously a lot will be more centre than left. If all 'Blair stooges' are eliminated from the party, Labour would never have any chance at all tbh. I am not sure its wise to be alienating people in this way.

I don't think they have the party or the countries best interest at heart, otherwise why is it always when there is a tory catastrophe they insist on these diversionary tactics?... Every time the party should be unified in outing the conservatives for their corrupt dirty dealings you can bet your bottom dollar that one someone from within labour will find something to take public attention from the issue...

Angela Eagle, Chuka Umunna, Luciana Berger, Tony Blair, Stephen Kinnock, Wes Streeting, Ben Bradshaw... Why?

My local MP is Rachael Reeves.... she's been virtually silent on issues that are rife within my community since the Labour leadership changed. :/

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

17 minutes in.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Youtube video

17 minutes in.

Thanks for posting this, it just goes to illustrate how hilarious the defense line is "he glanced at the picture but did not look at it as (wait for it) he is a busy man"


she even looked embarrassed saying it


pathetic

[Kizzy]

Where was the uproar from these Labour members when Ed Milliband was receiving Antisemitic abuse from the mainstream media?... where?

Where is the outrage at Islamophobia?... They are Semites too :/

This is collusion, a witchhunt...pure subterfuge

[jet]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Thanks for posting this, it just goes to illustrate how hilarious the defense line is "he glanced at the picture but did not look at it as (wait for it) he is a busy man"


she even looked embarrassed saying it


pathetic

He also 'just glanced at without taking them in' the anti semitic posts on the facebooks that he previously said he didn't know he was on...
He doesn't know or notice a lot, does he? See no evil, hear no evil, I'm just a bit of a dope....yeah right. Hilarious excuses...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

He also 'just glanced at without taking them in' the anti semitic posts on the facebooks that he previously said he didn't know he was on...
He doesn't know or notice a lot, does he? See no evil, hear no evil, I'm just a bit of a dope....yeah right. Hilarious excuses...

How rude, How would you respond to her suggestion that it is a far right issue antisemitism not a left wing problem.

How are we tacking to rise of the far right in the UK, by making sure heads are firmly turned the other way?

[TomToWin]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Thanks for posting this, it just goes to illustrate how hilarious the defense line is "he glanced at the picture but did not look at it as (wait for it) he is a busy man"


she even looked embarrassed saying it


pathetic

Not busy enough to stop him trawling random twitter pictures and replying to them.


Seriously, this man has no shame,backbone or an honest bone in his body.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by TomToWin

Not busy enough to stop him trawling random twitter pictures and replying to them.


Seriously, this man has no shame,backbone or an honest bone in his body.

I reported your avtar...