[Alf]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

There hasn't been any crime, her freedom of speech is still intact. But her employers don't want their reputation brought down through association of someone who sends out racist tweets, that's their right. Shouldn't they be entitled to it?

Why was it racist? I've seen many people being likened to look like animals, I've never thought it racist. Unless you're saying non White people should be excluded from being the butt of a joke? I find that racist, so what are we going to do about that?

Of course her free speech is not incact, she's been fired from her job for it. I wouldn't want to be fired for that, so I don't agree with Rosanne having it happen to her.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

So it's her freedom of speech that was the crime?

Still 1984 whichever way you look at it.

I am a strong free speech advocate, but free speech is not the same as consequence-free speech.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I am a strong free speech advocate, but free speech is not the same as consequence-free speech.

And that's exactly what we have an example of here, a pretty good one really. "Free speech" is shorthand for "expression free from the risk of persecution or prosecution by the authorities". It has never indicated any protection from personal retribution or professional repercussions. That's the double edged sword.

[Maru]

They should continue the show without her if at all possible...

I don't really buy her excuse about the lady appearing to be white... and then by saying that, isn't she in a way saying it's OK to use cultural slurs towards white folk. So it's OK if we're the guinea pigs now for all new cultural slurs, as long as we're not a particular minority? F* that. It was an ugly comment regardless or whoever she "thought" she was delivering it to... and should not have been published.

Also, which is it, Ambien or being guilty of insulting the wrong race?... So Ambien led her to not use correct judgement? I can understand, if her POV, she is convinced of that... but even if we all start to believe her reasoning, that logic is a double-edged sword.

So it can then be said that Roseanne and other folk are subconsciously guilty of associating Planet of the Apes with other people's races... and that apparently people with psych issues can't be trusted to act appropriate in a public venue. That argument not only defeats the point she's trying to make, but also stigmatizes the medicated and the mentally ill for no reason other than to save her own skin... That's where this logic leads. She must know this defense sits over on top of quicksand... or inside a lava pit in Kilhauea... and can only make her look worse.

My point is, when someone digs themselves a hole (i.e. are called out on their behavior) for posting this level of vitriol towards any group of folk... sᴛᴏᴘ. ᴅɪɢɢɪɴɢ.

She should accept the position she put herself in and move on. I can understand her being upset that others who lost their jobs, but it is also a sign that many yet seem to fully grasp the concept of humility in this society... She's only making it worse for her coworkers and ABC, not better. If she truly cared, she would step away from the spotlight and allow any negotiators to occur so the show to picked up someplace else to save their jobs...

[Alf]

She's a comedian. She isn't forcing you to laugh. Why try to destroy her living for it?

[Maru]

TMZ: ABC 'Roseanne' Reboot Discussions Centered Around Sara Gilbert
http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/01/abc-ta...ert-character/

"Roseanne" may be on the verge of rising from the dead with a second reboot, but this time centered around Sara Gilbert's character ... TMZ has learned.

Sources familiar with the situation tell TMZ ... the powers that be at ABC are exploring the possibility of re-branding the show and focusing on the character Darlene instead of Roseanne.

We're told Sara's been calling cast members to gauge their interest in the event ABC gives the reboot the green light. We're told John Goodman is "very interested."

Our sources say Tom Werner, who produced "Roseanne" through his company Carsey-Werner, is involved in the effort to reboot the show around Sara.

What's more ... ABC is desperately trying to salvage the jobs of those who were affected by its swift decision to cancel the show earlier this week ... especially for the writers and crew.

ABC canceled the show almost immediately after Roseanne tweeted President Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett is the spawn of the "muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes."

[user104658]

So the idea then is that, given enough time, people will naturally self-regulate on an individual level to an equilibrium and its just a waiting game? Definitely an interesting concept, but I think it's beyond my faith in most of humanity to think that will ever realistically happen .

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So the idea then is that, given enough time, people will naturally self-regulate on an individual level to an equilibrium and its just a waiting game? Definitely an interesting concept, but I think it's beyond my faith in most of humanity to think that will ever realistically happen .

I never said anything about equilibrium. There is no such thing. It's more like we would find ways to adapt as a culture as a result of adjusting to these new "social" pressures and we progress individually as a result, and subsequently cultural evolution would likely follow. It's abstract, so hard to "track", but we have done it for thousands of years and is how we've managed to get this far as we have achieved so much. I think the current "revolution" in the media right now is a bit faux... it's not so easy to pick apart as simply videos of angry college students/protesters. If it were that simple, then we could get a pulse on other things... maybe even read people's minds... but no, we're bad mind readers.

What is PC if not for relying on people's ability to self-regulate? That's why it doesn't really work. On the other hand, if there was very little coercion necessary to get people to walk that line so to speak, then it probably would work too well. I think that's what most people envision when they say things like "PC gone mad"...

Either way, we're far away from the OP now... so best to leave it there.

[Parmy]

Whats the skinny black haired daughter doing these days?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Whats the skinny black haired daughter doing these days?

Still acting, presenting and writing by the look of it.

[Maru]

Hmm.. didn't know Roseanne used to be a socialist? I don't agree with all of Maher's opinions, but I do like that he added a little bit extra context there to her political activities... and he is actually funny, compared to other comedians/hosts.

Youtube video

Also, they called for his head too as GiRTH posted?...

Both sides (left/right) have gone after Maher in the past, so he is no stranger to PC controversy himself and threats by the mob to have his show pulled... so he has reason to sympathize with her I think.

I still remember when he made the house n***ers joke on his show and then I think the next week after the backlash, they had him sit down some Black dude while they went through all the motions to correct/admonish him... all for the cameras of course.

Bill Maher has been a public racist for a long time. Here are the receipts.
https://thinkprogress.org/bill-maher...-b1d9c74283cd/

[bots]

Originally Posted by Maru

Hmm.. didn't know Roseanne used to be a socialist? I don't agree with all of Maher's opinions, but I do like that he added a little bit extra context there to her political activities... and he is actually funny, compared to other comedians/hosts.

Youtube video

Also, they called for his head too as GiRTH posted?...

Both sides (left/right) have gone after Maher in the past, so he is no stranger to PC controversy himself and threats by the mob to have his show pulled... so he has reason to sympathize with her I think.

I still remember when he made the house n***ers joke on his show and then I think the next week after the backlash, they had him sit down some Black dude while they went through all the motions to correct/admonish him... all for the cameras of course.

Bill Maher has been a public racist for a long time. Here are the receipts.
https://thinkprogress.org/bill-maher...-b1d9c74283cd/

There is something about Maher that I really don't like at all. I think he is a very disingenuous person

[Northern Monkey]

Joe Rogan knows her and spoke on the phone with her about it.
He talks about what she said here.

Youtube video

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Joe Rogan knows her and spoke on the phone with her about it.
He talks about what she said here.

Youtube video

Huh.. Kevin Smith is on this? Will have to listen to this later. I don't really watch much Joe Rogan, but depending on who he interviews, I may watch his show.

I've heard a lot of bad things about Ambien in general, particularly from family members. A few of my doctors have tried to put me on it a few times for insomnia and I always say no... I was on another medication that caused severe memory loss and other problems. I couldn't drive for a year, as I would just "zone out" and potentially could weave into oncoming traffic... but that isn't something you only just notice after a bad tweet.. if the effects are that severe, then it's maybe a bad idea to keep that within fingertips if they're a person who is prone to word vomit... which is possible for her if her bipolar is severe enough... but being that she is a celebrity, she has to take extra steps given celebrity is always going to be held to a ridiculous standard regardless... I don't know if that is "political" per say as that has always been true. So it's not really her company's fault if she acts in such a way that damages the brand... though I agree with the video, they called it very quickly. They may have already been witness to her state in other ways if you know what i mean and they only that deemed acceptable enough to tolerate for their brand as long as it stayed private and with the crew... after all, this is Hollywood... sexual harassment, drug addiction and mental illness on set?... that's part of the norm probably... it's also possible they were on the edge of making this call other past grievances on social media... I know there's a list of things she's said in the past and they may have briefed her to remain behind a certain line or risk these types of consequences... she may have disregarded those prior PR instructions in their mind about not to pushing the envelope and they may have felt their hands were tied once she crossed the line...

[Vicky.]

Maher was fired from ABC though wasn't he?

Had never heard of him, but many on twitter seem to be saying that he was.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Maher was fired from ABC though wasn't he?

Had never heard of him, but many on twitter seem to be saying that he was.

Yes he was.

Now he safe on HBO
his Show is also on our SkyAtlanticHD

[MB.]

Originally Posted by arista

Not true
Season 2 is on its way.

Some Staff writers have left
thats the REAL STORY

I'm not sure which part of "we have decided to cancel her show" you're not getting

Anyway, good riddance to racist garbage who accuses political figures of being involved in "Jewish conspiracies", tells others to kill themselves and compares school shooting survivors to Nazis, who should never have been given this kind of a platform in the first place

[arista]

Originally Posted by MB.

I'm not sure which part of "we have decided to cancel her show" you're not getting

Anyway, good riddance to racist garbage who accuses political figures of being involved in "Jewish conspiracies", tells others to kill themselves and compares school shooting survivors to Nazis, who should never have been given this kind of a platform in the first place

No I deleted it
It has been cancelled
some of my Live feed is on delay