[Vicky.]

So women should avoid being anywhere with men ever. Including men that they know. Just, do not ever be anywhere with a man? Yeah, thats realistic.

Then it would be, women, why are you blaming all men for what happened. Thats unfair.

Basically, its always womens fault. Surprise.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Imagine if we were talking about murder, "People should just make sure not to get murdered because the conviction rates are bad"

Quite.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Imagine if we were talking about murder, "People should just make sure not to get murdered because the conviction rates are bad"

But We are not talking about murder.

More women are getting raped, less rapist are getting convicted.

Logic tells us you are safer wearing a cycle helmet from head injury when you ride a bike.

So in tern you are safer not going home with strangers.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

But We are not talking about murder.

More women are getting raped, less rapist are getting convicted.

Logic tells us you are safer wearing a cycle helmet from head injury when you ride a bike.

So in tern you are safer not going home with strangers.

Oh I know we're not, believe me I know

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

But We are not talking about murder.

More women are getting raped, less rapist are getting convicted.

Logic tells us you are safer wearing a cycle helmet from head injury when you ride a bike.

So in tern you are safer not going home with strangers.

But you are more likely to be raped by someone you know. So logic tells you to never live with a man, never go to male friends houses, infact never go out with male people as they could spike you...etc

Of course women DO modify their behaviour somewhat because of the behaviour of some men. But this woman did not randomly go back with a bunch of men she did not know. She went back in a group, with other women too, to a house party.

[Cherie]

In terms of risk what she did seemed pretty risk free tbh, they were household names and she was in a group.

The rape conviction stats are pretty grim.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh I know we're not, believe me I know

That's good then!

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In terms of risk what she did seemed pretty risk free tbh, they were household names and she was in a group.

The rape conviction stats are pretty grim.

But at some stage she found herself in a bedroom?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In terms of risk what she did seemed pretty risk free tbh, they were household names and she was in a group.

The rape conviction stats are pretty grim.

NI seems really bad, Britain is a little bit better but not much (6% I think?) I can't figures for the Republic of Ireland but we do atleast seem to have a better way of handling rape trials here. Neither the accused or accuser are named and the public are not allowed to attend rape trials

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...orth-1.3443644

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

But at some stage she found herself in a bedroom?

okay so that wasn't so clever as she could have had a kiss and a cuddle without separating herself from the group, that said she should have the right to change her mind and certainly not have to participate in acts if she didn't want to

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

But at some stage she found herself in a bedroom?

She was using the bathroom in the bedroom and Paddy Jackson followed her in.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

NI seems really bad, Britain is a little bit better but not much (6% I think?) I can't figures for the Republic of Ireland but we do atleast seem to have a better way of handling rape trials here. Neither the accused or accuser are named and the public are not allowed to attend rape trials

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...orth-1.3443644

That seems a much better system, I don't agree with naming people at all

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That seems a much better system, I don't agree with naming people at all

No me neither

[Vicky.]

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36757069.html

another list of dos and don'ts.

[Vicky.]

Also possibly the best roundup of events I have seen yet

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...43620?mode=amp

For anyone commenting without actually knowing anything of the case.

[thesheriff443]

Let's just clear this up, there is no way that I think a woman going home with a stranger gives him the right to rape her.

But women do need to think twice about going any where with someone they have just met.

I have also suggested a device to give women more protection when they are out.

At the moment the only real protection a woman has is to nog go home with strangers and this is based on this case!

[bots]

I haven't been following this case, so please forgive my ignorance of it.

I would just like to put this out there. Under what conditions should a woman be fearful of the potential for rape? In all my years, i've not experienced a single situation where a woman was ever in that danger, whether that be a night out at the pub, office party, train journey, even at strip clubs.

The danger doesn't come from the situation or the attire that a woman chooses to wear. It comes from predators, and predators can strike at any time and at any place.

We can say that woman shouldn't put themselves in a vulnerable position, and to an extent that has some truth, but life is an organic thing, we don't pre-plan every moment of our lives in advance. What was a relatively safe scenario with 3 people in a location, can become an unsafe one if one person leaves, even for a minute. It's impossible to remain safe and secure from predators at all times.

For way too long women have been at a disadvantage, and if that means there needs to be some positive discrimination in their favour to offer them more protection, then it should be done. These predators need to be held accountable.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I haven't been following this case, so please forgive my ignorance of it.

I would just like to put this out there. Under what conditions should a woman be fearful of the potential for rape? In all my years, i've not experienced a single situation where a woman was ever in that danger, whether that be a night out at the pub, office party, train journey, even at strip clubs.

The danger doesn't come from the situation or the attire that a woman chooses to wear. It comes from predators, and predators can strike at any time and at any place.

We can say that woman shouldn't put themselves in a vulnerable position, and to an extent that has some truth, but life is an organic thing, we don't pre-plan every moment of our lives in advance. What was a relatively safe scenario with 3 people in a location, can become an unsafe one if one person leaves, even for a minute. It's impossible to remain safe and secure from predators at all times.

For way too long women have been at a disadvantage, and if that means there needs to be some positive discrimination in their favour to offer them more protection, then it should be done. These predators need to be held accountable.

It's good to hear that from a man BOTS, thanks.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36757069.html

another list of dos and don'ts.

Yep she has it nailed. Just going through your other article now

[Tom4784]

A large number of women will experience sexual violence in their lifetimes, it's a ****ing epidemic and it has been for eons and acting like there's preventative measures is just wrong. Why should a woman have to live her life more cautiously just because, as a soceity, we don't tend to blame a rapist completely for their own actions and choices? 'Oh they committed rape but the woman shouldn't have done this or that!'.

Nothing will ever change while attitudes like that are prevalent in society.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In terms of risk what she did seemed pretty risk free tbh, they were household names and she was in a group.

The rape conviction stats are pretty grim.

and she was not raped

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and she was not raped

An acquittal in a rape case does not of course necessarily mean that the jury did not believe the complainant, or believed the complainant did not consent, because the prosecution must not only prove lack of consent, but also prove the “mens rea” or mental state of the accused, beyond reasonable doubt.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...orth-1.3443644

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

An acquittal in a rape case does not of course necessarily mean that the jury did not believe the complainant, or believed the complainant did not consent, because the prosecution must not only prove lack of consent, but also prove the “mens rea” or mental state of the accused, beyond reasonable doubt.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...orth-1.3443644

Good as it would have ruined the lives of the lads, the jury over 9 weeks and all the evidence went with the evidence and that, is justice.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and she was not raped

I guess only she and the accused will know this for sure

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Good as it would have ruined the lives of the lads, the jury over 9 weeks and all the evidence went with the evidence and that, is justice.

Hopefully it already has, disgusting pigs