[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

except that multitudes within the labour party have acknowledged that there is a problem within their ranks. Corbyn has publicly apologised and vowed to do something about it. So it's hardly consistent to say that things are being taken out of context.

Also, given Corbyn has admitted that there is a problem, at a minimum it was foolish to meet with a jewish splinter group rather than the main jewish representation, at a maximum it was sticking 2 fingers up at the issue. People are free to decide what they want with respect to Corbyn's actions, but it's not realistic to attempt to put a positive spin on it as to do so supports the concept of anarchy which flies in the face of supporting him to be the next PM

You are under the illusion his only support is this 'splinter' group, which in itself is a denigration conservative friends of Israel is a 'splinter' group too remember.

There is plenty of support.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-antisemitism

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sm-gaslighting

https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=uk

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/...d-jlc-meeting/

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You are under the illusion his only support is this 'splinter' group, which in itself is a denigration conservative friends of Israel is a 'splinter' group too remember.

There is plenty of support.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-antisemitism

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sm-gaslighting

https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=uk

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/...d-jlc-meeting/

No-one said Jewdas were his only support. They're just a dodgy group for him to associate with, especially after refusing to meet with more mainstream Jewish groups.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The ONLY people in the UK who have problems with NOT accepting REALITY and living in a DELUSIONAL FANTASY world are those people who not only REJECT ALL the OVERWHELMING and IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE which INDICTS Corbyn but also STILL continue to support him.

If you or anyone else CHOOSES to support Corbyn, then THAT is your prerogative and NO ONE else's business - UNLESS, of course, you ELECT to POST articles in support of Corbyn on a Debate Forum, THEN, I'm afraid, THAT then DOES become the business of anyone who disagrees with the post, and no amount of DENYING the TRUTH which is now EXPOSED, and no amount of posting of false counter 'facts' and no amount of skewed 'opinion - no matter how 'PASSIONATE' - is going to SWAY people who are NOT delusional and who do RECOGNISE and ACCEPT the TRUTH about this hiddeous, abhorrent, duplicitious little man.

I'm sorry but I see this the same way as I do the stories in the media, it's politicising an important issue.

Corbyn is personally under attack with a view to him being removed as leader and the Jewish community are being exploited to this end.

That is what is being attempted here, and should it succeed will antisemitism go away? No of course it won't.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No-one said Jewdas were his only support. They're just a dodgy group for him to associate with, especially after refusing to meet with more mainstream Jewish groups.

Who did he refuse to meet with?

[bots]

I have a problem with Islamophobia in my party, i've apologised and admitted there is a problem. Muslim group representatives have asked for a meeting, so I choose instead to meet with Britain First. How would that be perceived by Muslim groups? It's exactly the same thing as Corbyn is doing with respect to antisemitism

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I have a problem with Islamophobia in my party, i've apologised and admitted there is a problem. Muslim group representatives have asked for a meeting, so I choose instead to meet with Britain First. How would that be perceived by Muslim groups? It's exactly the same thing as Corbyn is doing with respect to antisemitism

Welcome back BOTS.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I have a problem with Islamophobia in my party, i've apologised and admitted there is a problem. Muslim group representatives have asked for a meeting, so I choose instead to meet with Britain First. How would that be perceived by Muslim groups? It's exactly the same thing as Corbyn is doing with respect to antisemitism

What a ridiculous comparison... :/

Have Britain first written literature on how to identify Islamophobia?
You are coning across really ignorant.

Spoiler:

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Funny that, i'm always told by Corbyn supporters that he is a man of principles that doesn't deviate, so now you seem to be saying that what he said was purely to appease the people who would vote for him, but it is not what he believes? Which funnily enough is what many of us have been saying all along. He hides his true beliefs to try and get the votes and become PM

Of course he deviates. He's an MP, politics evolve all the time. Of course he wants to be PM, he's not doing this for the fun of it.

What is he hiding? I fully understand his beliefs, in fact his beliefs are so wide open, even when he apologized he made a point of going to visit a Left wing Jewish organization. Damn him for that all you like but the message that gave to many of us was, he is no Judas. He is not abandoning his stance on the apartheid in Israel.

Corbyn had an onslaught of bad press and accusations of anti-Semitism from New Labour post modernists; the same people who repeatedly suggest there's something wrong with Corbyn. All they actually care about is getting back power and so they had to dig deep and come up with something that could be bastardized and propagated into something that would do maximum damage and to do that they had to trawl through old archives and breathe life into old corpses.

I've already said, I don't think he should of stooped to apologizing because I don't think the leader of a democratic political party is responsible for everything within it. Surely that's autocratic? But by now the Right wing press were baying for blood and regardless of Corbyn ordering a full investigation on every issue reported, something UKIP and the Tory party have never done when it comes to some very real racism within the ranks.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What...
Hignfy did not air a headline from the jewdus magazine that stated that quite simply abohrent, filthy and downright anti semetic headline i posted....so just what was i watching last night?

According to what you stated earlier, you were watching something about lawyers and charges against that group. Perhaps you just exaggerated a little!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No-one said Jewdas were his only support. They're just a dodgy group for him to associate with, especially after refusing to meet with more mainstream Jewish groups.

You mean like the mainstream Jewish group that refused to meet Corbyn? Corbyn asked them for an audience, they declined.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I have a problem with Islamophobia in my party, i've apologised and admitted there is a problem. Muslim group representatives have asked for a meeting, so I choose instead to meet with Britain First. How would that be perceived by Muslim groups? It's exactly the same thing as Corbyn is doing with respect to antisemitism

This makes no sense at all.
Are you saying the Jews Corbyn chose to meet are as bad as Britain First?
Are you saying the Jews he met are the racists?

The sort of Jews Corbyn talks to are the sort of people who oppose the oppression going on in Israel.

Should Corbyn support oppression if he wishes to be respected by the Right? Wouldn't that make him a turncoat and a traitor to the hundred of thousands of Jewish people, many who were born and live in Israel, who also oppose Israeli brutality?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You mean like the mainstream Jewish group that refused to meet Corbyn? Corbyn asked them for an audience, they declined.

Even if every other Jewish group denied him, Jewdas wouldn't become an appropriate one to hang around with.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You mean like the mainstream Jewish group that refused to meet Corbyn? Corbyn asked them for an audience, they declined.

and of course you know why?

they dont want to help an anti-Semitic with his PR/Spin to save face

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Even if every other Jewish group denied him, Jewdas wouldn't become an appropriate one to hang around with.

I guess you fully support Israel. Lets just leave it at that.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and of course you know why?

they dont want to help an anti-Semitic with his PR/Spin to save face

There you go again, keep dishing the dirt and calling the least anti-racist man in parliament anti-Semitic.

I don't think I've seen a single post from you on here that has any reasoning or thought. You don't join in other than to just pop up now and again to repeat the same old bollox.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I guess you fully support Israel. Lets just leave it at that.

It doesn't just have to be about Israel. Wanting to burn down parliament and invoke full capitalism, while saying things like "**** the Queen and especially **** Prince Phillip" shows what kind of group they are.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

There you go again, keep dishing the dirt and calling the least anti-racist man in parliament anti-Semitic.

I don't think I've seen a single post from you on here that has any reasoning or thought. You don't join in other than to just pop up now and again to repeat the same old bollox.

Reasoning and thought make no difference when people refuse to acknowledge reason and thought. You seem very angry, Red, could it be that underneath you know that Corbyn is the anti - Semitic supporter and terrorist supporter that he actually is but don't want to admit it to yourself? Or do support him for other reasons?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It doesn't just have to be about Israel. Wanting to burn down parliament and invoke full capitalism, while saying things like "**** the Queen and especially **** Prince Phillip" shows what kind of group they are.

Yes it is. It is all about Israel/Palestine.
I don't know who the numpties are who want to put an end to Israel or who want to burn down parliament and invoke full capitalism and I don't agree with anyone who wants to abandon our royal family, so lets forget a number of anarchists this group has attracted because a) they will never achieve anything other than a bigger divide and b) disinformation cuts two ways.
Instead, why don't we try looking at the wider issues.

One group of people want something very different than the other group. One sits to the Left, one sits to the Right. Under real democracy they both have a right to a voice but because of the powers of the Right, the Left have been silenced. Secret groups and some very open groups on the Left have grown massively in number over the past decade, especially youth groups in Israel. Why is this happening? what's caused it? should they be stopped? should we listen to what they have to say? all these questions should make for a good and reasonable discussion. Instead we just keep going round in the same old circles and getting nowhere.

[jet]

Why don't you make a thread on Israel/Palestine, Red? This thread is about anti - Semitism in the Labour party.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jet

Reasoning and thought make no difference when people refuse to acknowledge reason and thought. You seem very angry, Red, could it be that underneath you know that Corbyn is the anti - Semitic supporter and terrorist supporter that he actually is but don't want to admit it to yourself? Or do support him for other reasons?

Funnily enough my father-in-law is staying with us at the moment and he keeps laughing at me because every time I come on here I'm ranting. I'm not angry, just frustrated. I'm so keen to have a really good discussion about the Left and the Right of these issues but it feels like a brick wall.

He suggested I'm frustrated on his behalf and I think he's right. I should leave this thread well alone because I'm allowing it to encroach on my every day life which is unhealthy.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jet

Why don't you make a thread on Israel/Palestine, Red? This thread is about anti - Semitism in the Labour party.

Yes it is but anti-Semitism has now been broadened out to the Jewish Left and the anti-Semitism accusations are all about Palestine/Israel. The whole foundations behind this subject is Palestine/Israel.

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yes it is but anti-Semitism has now been broadened out to the Jewish Left and the anti-Semitism accusations are all about Palestine/Israel. The whole foundations behind this subject is Palestine/Israel.

No, the subject hasn't been broadened out, it is about antisemitism. The ridiculous far left jewish group only came into play because Corbyn chose to have a dialog with them. The subject remains antisemitism

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yes it is but anti-Semitism has now been broadened out to the Jewish Left and the anti-Semitism accusations are all about Palestine/Israel. The whole foundations behind this subject is Palestine/Israel.

Strictly speaking, the thread is about anti Semitism in the Labour party, and news/articles/opinions relating to that will get all mixed up with the broader subject of Palestine/Israel. That would be an interesting thread on its own.
Unless you are just interested in the subject as relating to attempting to absolve Corbyn/anti - Semitic Labour members (which it could be seen as), which is your right to do of course.
I would welcome a thread on it from those who are knowledgeable on the subject, I know a bit, but not nearly enough.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

No, the subject hasn't been broadened out, it is about antisemitism. The ridiculous far left jewish group only came into play because Corbyn chose to have a dialog with them. The subject remains antisemitism

Look, you can't have an ongoing debate if its just about mocking Corbyn, unless of course that's all you want this thread for, but then it wouldn't be a debate, it would be an agenda. Baying mobs are unattractive regardless of what side of the fence you sit on. Just going over and over the same old same old is mind numbingly boring or maybe you disagree. If you can't see beyond the rant, then you're under no obligation to involve yourself in the 'ifs, what's, why's and therefore's'.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Funnily enough my father-in-law is staying with us at the moment and he keeps laughing at me because every time I come on here I'm ranting. I'm not angry, just frustrated. I'm so keen to have a really good discussion about the Left and the Right of these issues but it feels like a brick wall.

He suggested I'm frustrated on his behalf and I think he's right. I should leave this thread well alone because I'm allowing it to encroach on my every day life which is unhealthy.

Wow, you must really love Corbyn if words on a screen can lead you to sperg on to the extent where even your family makes fun of you.