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AnnieK · 07-04-2018, 07:48 PM

Every city is the same pretty much. I love Manchester but lots of violence here too

Cherie · 07-04-2018, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

Every city is the same pretty much. I love Manchester but lots of violence here too

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kirklancaster · 07-04-2018, 10:03 PM

I am hardly going to increase my popularity on here by posting this, but the truth is that this - suddenly newsworthy - phenomenon is both no surprise and far worse than the average man-in-the-street realises.

According to figure from the London Metropolitan Police and New York City Police Department to 'USA Today' magazine, London's murder rate in February 2018 of 15 deaths and 22 in March 2018 SURPASSED New York's for the first time and sadly for me, this WILL continue.

It is SHOCKING to learn from 'USA Today' that in 2017, there were TWICE as many murders in New York City than London but THIS year ALREADY the monthly murder rates are nearly the same.

Do NOT scream for my lynching (I HAVE been known to be CORRECT about a lot of uncomfortable facts on here before) but in my opinion, IMMIGRATION and WEAK Local and National Government - which have ALLOWED vitally important POLICIES to be dictated by Political Correctness INSTEAD of rational NEED - a general DEGENERATION in Society's standards, and a rising number of families, both Immigrant AND Indigenous, where the parents have increasingly poor parenting skills, are ALL key factors behind this rise in knife deaths, murder and violence in general.

'Gangs' have ALWAYS existed in London and other major UK cities, but Immigration has exacerbated the situation because many immigrant youths hail from war-torn and economically deprived countries where 'Life is Tough', 'Survival is Paramount', and 'weapons culture' is more prevalent due to less stringent policing and generations of exposure to violence.

Someone has already mentioned 'Stop and Search' on here, and though 'Stop and Search' WAS being abused by corrupt Police Officers who were misusing their powers to vent their own twisted prejudices, 'Stop and Search' WAS also a MUCH-NEEDED weapon in the fight against rapidly escalating 'Serious Crime' and INSTEAD of our cowardly Government succumbing to pressure from the Liberal/Left PC Lobby and scrapping 'Stop and Search', they SHOULD have instead WEEDLED OUT the corrupt Policemen who were abusing it and ensured that only decent, equitable and mature police carried it out FAIRLY .

This is one HUGE problem which is here to STAY, and though sometimes our young need protecting from THEMSELVES, it is the ADULTS who need EDUCATING if we are to at least CONTAIN this threat to society.

Over the past decades, a lot of Teachers have become more Liberal in their own attitudes towards discipline, but in addition, Political Correctness has seen them STRIPPED of a lot of their powers of AUTHORITY over the children in their care whilst we still impose RESPONSIBILITY for that care upon them, and Responsibility WITHOUT Authority is NEVER going to work.

The result is that children become more 'feral' less disciplined.

We NEED to restore POWERS to our Policemen, Teachers and other Professionals WHILST first diligently SCREENING and VETTING those professionals that they are 'Fit for Purpose', and we need to FORCE ALL parents to be responsible for their children WHILST EDUCATING them in the partly 'Lost Art' of parenting.

Finally, where real measures of Prevention have failed, then anyone found guilty of Murder, knife crime, Gun Crime, or any other type of Violent Crime, SHOULD be DEALT with no regard for any possible 'Back-Lash' from Politically Correct' bodies ONLY Punishment and Deterrent.

Maru · 08-04-2018, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I am hardly going to increase my popularity on here by posting this, but the truth is that this - suddenly newsworthy - phenomenon is both no surprise and far worse than the average man-in-the-street realises.

According to figure from the London Metropolitan Police and New York City Police Department to 'USA Today' magazine, London's murder rate in February 2018 of 15 deaths and 22 in March 2018 SURPASSED New York's for the first time and sadly for me, this WILL continue.

It is SHOCKING to learn from 'USA Today' that in 2017, there were TWICE as many murders in New York City than London but THIS year ALREADY the monthly murder rates are nearly the same.

Do NOT scream for my lynching (I HAVE been known to be CORRECT about a lot of uncomfortable facts on here before) but in my opinion, IMMIGRATION and WEAK Local and National Government - which have ALLOWED vitally important POLICIES to be dictated by Political Correctness INSTEAD of rational NEED - a general DEGENERATION in Society's standards, and a rising number of families, both Immigrant AND Indigenous, where the parents have increasingly poor parenting skills, are ALL key factors behind this rise in knife deaths, murder and violence in general.

'Gangs' have ALWAYS existed in London and other major UK cities, but Immigration has exacerbated the situation because many immigrant youths hail from war-torn and economically deprived countries where 'Life is Tough', 'Survival is Paramount', and 'weapons culture' is more prevalent due to less stringent policing and generations of exposure to violence.

Someone has already mentioned 'Stop and Search' on here, and though 'Stop and Search' WAS being abused by corrupt Police Officers who were misusing their powers to vent their own twisted prejudices, 'Stop and Search' WAS also a MUCH-NEEDED weapon in the fight against rapidly escalating 'Serious Crime' and INSTEAD of our cowardly Government succumbing to pressure from the Liberal/Left PC Lobby and scrapping 'Stop and Search', they SHOULD have instead WEEDLED OUT the corrupt Policemen who were abusing it and ensured that only decent, equitable and mature police carried it out FAIRLY .

This is one HUGE problem which is here to STAY, and though sometimes our young need protecting from THEMSELVES, it is the ADULTS who need EDUCATING if we are to at least CONTAIN this threat to society.

Over the past decades, a lot of Teachers have become more Liberal in their own attitudes towards discipline, but in addition, Political Correctness has seen them STRIPPED of a lot of their powers of AUTHORITY over the children in their care whilst we still impose RESPONSIBILITY for that care upon them, and Responsibility WITHOUT Authority is NEVER going to work.

The result is that children become more 'feral' less disciplined.

We NEED to restore POWERS to our Policemen, Teachers and other Professionals WHILST first diligently SCREENING and VETTING those professionals that they are 'Fit for Purpose', and we need to FORCE ALL parents to be responsible for their children WHILST EDUCATING them in the partly 'Lost Art' of parenting.

Finally, where real measures of Prevention have failed, then anyone found guilty of Murder, knife crime, Gun Crime, or any other type of Violent Crime, SHOULD be DEALT with no regard for any possible 'Back-Lash' from Politically Correct' bodies ONLY Punishment and Deterrent.

I have to agree with this, particularly the bold. In places like Japan, for example, very high discipline and very low crime. And yet the areas, particularly the metros... quite dense... Part of the reason I moved back to the South is because the culture is more "it takes a village mentality" and discipline is still important (none of that environment+social constructionist nonsense).

I think immigration is fine if it's ideologies are fairly compatible, but I don't think that makes those peoples non-negotiable. It can add to our culture instead of rub up against it... but I think that open borders polices are naive, even for the most accepting of people. I think what crime it brings in really depends on how they are being immigrated (for politic reasons is a very bad reason...), so simply just needs thorough screening... those peoples tend to spread to different locales, which I think really helps to speed up the transition process.

Stop & Search isn't as much of an issue here as it is in places where gun laws are more restrictive, more police is always the answer. Totally different culture. People here don't have to be as hysterical about their self-protection I think. It's amazing the difference between places with that culture and not... I think people here take their safety more seriously, actually try to be more self-aware, etc. Not at all hysterical... whereas I think in northeast where I was staying, I heard a lot more complaints and hysteria... the govt/establishment/popular party of the day, it's their fault. They should fix it, it's not my job, etc.

No, no matter what your govt does and the policies it sets, your safety is in your own hands... sadly, crime will always be a part of life. Just a fact. Nothing in life can be guaranteed and while enacting laws helps, it won't stop a smooth criminal... but individually we can all make it more difficult.

Also +1 moving away if you have to because... I moved cross-country twice with virtually no money... so yeah

I packed everything in my suitcase the first time @19 and that was all I needed. Material things can always be re-bought... they're not that important in the grand scheme of things.