[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so they can't carry out the search but it identifies the person as someone of interest?

Right, so now a totally innocent person is under suspicion of illegal activity for refusing a search, as they assume it means he must have something on him, when actually he's just not OK with PC Bob rummaging around in his pants for any reason.

I have never carried a knife or any other weapon in my life, but I would 100% refuse to be searched.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

True Jaxie, and what is being overlooked by some on here, is that the very POSSIBILITY of being 'Stopped and Searched' could be ENOUGH of a DETERRENT to dissuade some young people from carrying knives or other lethal weapons and as the maxim goes; If you pack a gun you'll end up using it one day', so just ONE child dissuaded justifies 'Stop and Search' - in my opinion.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i would offer a knife amnesty where people were encouraged to hand over obvious weapons. Then I would come down very hard on anyone that committed a knife crime. If the crime gets a life changing sentence, people will soon stop carrying them. It won't stop the hardened few, but it will stop the majority which should be what it's all about.

It would be a start, though I think there was an amnesty recently if memory serves me correctly

[Withano]

Lets be real though, theres a very direct link between recent police budget cuts, and the recent increased knife crime. You guys are looking too far for a solution, sometimes, it really is the obvious one.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Livia

My brother was stopped and searched countless times when we were younger and living in London. He never once asked "is it because I'm Jewish?". The fact is that knife crime and other violent crimes are, in a lot of cases, black on black crime.

I'd like to see more black police officers and more accountability from the families of underage young people caught up in this kind of life. Everyone gets blamed, the government, the police... but never the parents or parent that is responsible for their child till they're 18.

Completely agree. Taking personal responsibility for you and yours instead of trying to blame others all the time is commendable. Get fed-up with those constantly blaming everyone but themselves.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Lets be real though, theres a very direct link between recent police budget cuts, and the recent increased knife crime. You guys are looking too far for a solution, sometimes, it really is the obvious one.

Yeah the obvious one to most is the attitudes of those that carry and use them. They are ultimately to blame.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Yeah the obvious one to most is the attitudes of those that carry and use them. They are ultimately to blame.

I have no idea how this is supposed to make sense sorry.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Withano

I have no idea how this is supposed to make sense sorry.

You obvioysly think brillo means the blacks.....


I think they mean the gangs and the scum that carry knives.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You obvioysly think brillo means the blacks.....


I think they mean the gangs and the scum that carry knives.

I meant anyone who carries a knife with the intention of using it.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I meant anyone who carries a knife with the intention of using it.

Horrid thought. Being stabbed.

My worst nightmare to be honest. Give me a good old fashioned kicking any day..but bring a knife to a fight makes you a coward.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Right, so now a totally innocent person is under suspicion of illegal activity for refusing a search, as they assume it means he must have something on him, when actually he's just not OK with PC Bob rummaging around in his pants for any reason.

I have never carried a knife or any other weapon in my life, but I would 100% refuse to be searched.

Good for you, many people wouldn't have an issue, maybe if there was a bit more stopping people there wouldn't be so many people driving around without insurance or over the limit either.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Good for you, many people wouldn't have an issue, maybe if there was a bit more stopping people there wouldn't be so many people driving around without insurance or over the limit either.

[Ammi]

...wasn’t stop and search ..(..partly, as well as the police killing of Mark Duggan..)...that sparked the protests that led to the London Riots..?...wasn’t it alleged physical violence, racial abuse and prejudice against individuals and families etc that was apparently happening with some members of the police force...’under the guise of stop and search’....

[Ammi]

..I guess rather than preventing..it could be potentially replacing one serious issue with another serious issue...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Good for you, many people wouldn't have an issue, maybe if there was a bit more stopping people there wouldn't be so many people driving around without insurance or over the limit either.

I really don’t get all this anti-search attitude. Although I accept some police may have abused it, it is still a necessary function for the greater good. Frustrating as it may be for those who may feel ‘targeted’ - if it saves lives, the benefits to us all surely outweigh the frustration and inconvenience for some.

[Parmy]

Oh they will riot in the end, rather than address the issues closer to home.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Good for you, many people wouldn't have an issue, maybe if there was a bit more stopping people there wouldn't be so many people driving around without insurance or over the limit either.

There is no need to stop anyone to check for insurance or anything else car related. Police cars have number plate scanners as do street cameras that check these details without the need to stop anyone.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There is no need to stop anyone to check for insurance or anything else car related. Police cars have number plate scanners as do street cameras that check these details without the need to stop anyone.

In some areas, but what about the areas that dont...

And they didnt stop the old soak mcpartlin did they.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There is no need to stop anyone to check for insurance or anything else car related. Police cars have number plate scanners as do street cameras that check these details without the need to stop anyone.

Yes I do know that cameras are meant to do this job now BOTS, I have noticed I no longer need a tax disc as well but like Parminion says they can't pick up drink drivers and many still get away with no insurance or tax, camera or no

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes I do know that cameras are meant to do this job now BOTS, I have noticed I no longer need a tax disc as well but like Parminion says they can't pick up drink drivers and many still get away with no insurance or tax, camera or no

It's not a difficult thing to link a breath tester to the drive capability of the car. Something that car manufacturers could easily do

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Good for you, many people wouldn't have an issue, maybe if there was a bit more stopping people there wouldn't be so many people driving around without insurance or over the limit either.

Well... Good for them? What heroes, selflessly passing over their liberty to the government. Shall we set up cameras in their living rooms too? I mean... Why not? If they're not doing anything wrong, then they have nothing to fear!

Perhaps it could be some sort of voluntary programme. All of you upstanding, morally better folks can have a symbol to identify you as willing to be searched - perhaps a white hat, or a nice tall horse - and then you can be searched and monitored, and the rest of us who value the central pillars of freedom can continue about our day unmolested by the authorities.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I really don’t get all this anti-search attitude.

No, you don't, a lot of people don't "get it" and never will. But thankfully, you don't get to tell other people what they should or shouldn't be OK with.

[Livia]

Don't stop and search anyone then. Let them all stab each other. Is that your answer, TS? Pussyfoot around while young people are cutting holes in each other.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Don't stop and search anyone then. Let them all stab each other. Is that your answer, TS? Pussyfoot around while young people are cutting holes in each other.

No, stop and search people if there is good reason to do so, such as indication that something is being concealed, a tip off, or other suspicious behavior, just like pulling over a car. As I've already said three or four times on this thread.

Will we put cameras in your living room too, Livia?

[chuff me dizzy]

Top and bottom of it all is the police are too scared of being called racist ,so they've got sloppy ,time to toughen up, and seeing as most of these stabbings are being done by black youths with covered faces ,its THEM the police must target and if the do gooders moan then so be it