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Beso · 18-04-2018, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

At worst, it's rude.

Certainly not a police matter.

But once they refused to leave the attendent had no other option but to think of the paying customers enjoyment and call the police.

They also asked them to leave...3 times....the police then had no other option but arrest them.

This simply would not have happened if the 2 blokes had done the decent thing.

Ammi · 18-04-2018, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

But once they refused to leave the attendent had no other option but to think of the paying customers enjoyment and call the police.

They also asked them to leave...3 times....the police then had no other option but arrest them.

This simply would not have happened if the 2 blokes had done the decent thing.

...but then it just flips round and round though, Parmy...the two guys may have left without anything escalating in any way and done ‘the decent thing’... had training been given to staff on how to ask people to leave if they’re not paying customers etc..?...(..also there has to be consistency in that as well obviously, which I’m assuming there would be..)...but for a manager’s ‘option’ with non threatening, non hostile people etc..(..which all have said the two men were..)...to be to make a police call, is just really bad training because training surely would always cover those people ‘who had refused to leave if asked to do so’....

Ammi · 18-04-2018, 07:27 AM

...I don’t blame them for not ordering...Starbucks is pretty grim for the cost of it...

user104658 · 18-04-2018, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...I don’t blame them for not ordering...Starbucks is pretty grim for the cost of it...

How dare you. Caramel Machiattos are amazing. And caramel frapachino on a hot summer day. Mmm. Their soya latte is also randomly delicious

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That said, it's not as good as my home made fresh ground coffee

. But other than that... none of the other high street coffee places are ever as good as Starbucks. And independent cafes... like 1 in 10 makes a good coffee. The rest serve you a cup of dishwater!

Ammi · 18-04-2018, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

How dare you. Caramel Machiattos are amazing. And caramel frapachino on a hot summer day. Mmm. Their soya latte is also randomly delicious

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That said, it's not as good as my home made fresh ground coffee

. But other than that... none of the other high street coffee places are ever as good as Starbucks. And independent cafes... like 1 in 10 makes a good coffee. The rest serve you a cup of dishwater!

..I absolutely dare, that’s the badass I am..

...I’m not really a huge coffee drinker../..fan...just to disappoint you further, TS...still water on a hot summer day is where I’m at, not caramel frapachino...

user104658 · 18-04-2018, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

I’m not really a huge coffee drinker../..fan..

Get out

Ammi · 18-04-2018, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Get out

....prejudice../..intolerance..

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Beso · 18-04-2018, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...but then it just flips round and round though, Parmy...the two guys may have left without anything escalating in any way and done ‘the decent thing’... had training been given to staff on how to ask people to leave if they’re not paying customers etc..?...(..also there has to be consistency in that as well obviously, which I’m assuming there would be..)...but for a manager’s ‘option’ with non threatening, non hostile people etc..(..which all have said the two men were..)...to be to make a police call, is just really bad training because training surely would always cover those people ‘who had refused to leave if asked to do so’....

All the talk of "call the police".. isnt as bad as it sounds..the officers on bikes are probably designated to that mall anyway..so for the manager it didnt seem like a big deal to get them to come and sort it..plus with it being in america you aint going to risk a lawsuit on yourself.

I find it really strange that you wouldnt leave when requested to by the police...to me those actions should have been followed up by a struggle with the police....but they just peacefully got up and left...

Luckily miss political antagonist was on hand with her camera and twitter page....her timing has a lot to be desired though..she missed 15 minutes worth.

Ammi · 18-04-2018, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

All the talk of "call the police".. isnt as bad as it sounds..the officers on bikes are probably designated to that mall anyway..so for the manager it didnt seem like a big deal to get them to come and sort it..plus with it being in america you aint going to risk a lawsuit on yourself.

I find it really strange that you wouldnt leave when requested to by the police...to me those actions should have been followed up by a struggle with the police....but they just peacefully got up and left...

Luckily miss political antagonist was on hand with her camera and twitter page....her timing has a lot to be desired though..she missed 15 minutes worth.

....hmmmm I don’t know actually, Parmy...I did read an article...sorry I’m not good at finding links again...but one of the police officers said they didn’t feel they should have been called to the ‘situation’, a personal statement from one involved..?...but as they were called, obviously they had to go...

Ammi · 18-04-2018, 08:41 AM

...I guess what could also be perceived as ‘strange’...is that Starbucks immediately wanted to meet with the two men as well and apologise and address their training methods and introduce new training etc...so I don’t think it’s very clear cut whether they themselves believe an element of racial profiling was perhaps involved with this unfortunate incident and why it escalated to what it became...

user104658 · 18-04-2018, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...I guess what could also be perceived as ‘strange’...is that Starbucks immediately wanted to meet with the two men as well and apologise and address their training methods and introduce new training etc...so I don’t think it’s very clear cut whether they themselves believe an element of racial profiling was perhaps involved with this unfortunate incident and why it escalated to what it became...

Yes, it comes across as an admission of guilt, but I still don't think it really means anything at all; Starbucks would still be doing this whether they thought it was racial profiling or not. It's gone globally viral... they HAVE to be seen to do something.

Ammi · 18-04-2018, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes, it comes across as an admission of guilt, but I still don't think it really means anything at all; Starbucks would still be doing this whether they thought it was racial profiling or not. It's gone globally viral... they HAVE to be seen to do something.

..yeah I do realise that ‘seen to be doing something’ is a thing as well TS and maybe the reason ...but I don’t think the perception is any less ‘strange’ than the refusal by the guys when asked to leave if they did feel racial profiling was apparahent to them and happening to them ....if others also had been known to not order etc and just wait for someone and also be known to use bathroom facilities...but themselves the only two that led to police being called....or even being told ‘no you can’t’ in the first place...all ‘stranges’ hold the same weight value, I feel..

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Marsh. · 18-04-2018, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

But once they refused to leave the attendent had no other option but to think of the paying customers enjoyment and call the police.

They also asked them to leave...3 times....the police then had no other option but arrest them.

This simply would not have happened if the 2 blokes had done the decent thing.

Why would they need to leave?
Starbucks don't have a policy preventing someone sitting down in the shop. Especially when waiting for someone else.