[montblanc]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he wasn't when measured against the time he lived in.

If a law is introduced in the year 2000 and someone lived in the 1800's they are not subject to the law introduced in 2000 and can't be measured against it. If that law was in place during his lifetime he may have been a completely different person.

racism and law are two separate things so i don't think that's the best comparison?

it doesn't matter what time it was, he was still a racist

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Where did I say that - he was not.

"he is not anything as he is no longer here"

?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Good point Alf,it's kinda like Mandela some hail him as a hero,others say he was a terrorist,all of us have a dark side, This woman just has a huge chip on her shoulder.

She does. I think as she is well educated and a high achiever she thinks how dare anyone look down on her. It is very much about her.

[bots]

Originally Posted by montblanc

racism and law are two separate things so i don't think that's the best comparison?

it doesn't matter what time it was, he was still a racist

that's not true, as racism wasn't a defined thing, and one cant say someone is doing right or wrong unless there is a law in place to back it up.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that's not true, as racism wasn't a defined thing, and one cant say someone is doing right or wrong unless there is a law in place to back it up.

scientific racism was invented in the 1600s

racism was VERY much alive during churchill's time

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

Depends if you think Churchill and religion is the exact same thing I suppose.

Well I think everyone and everything should be open to criticism. How about you?

[montblanc]

and contrary to popular belief, not EVERYONE during that time was racist

many people knew racism was a problem

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by montblanc

"he is not anything as he is no longer here"

?

His views weren’t considered racist then and were the norm. In 50 years time attempting to police peoples’ thoughts by the PC brigade may be considered a hate crime.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that's not true, as racism wasn't a defined thing, and one cant say someone is doing right or wrong unless there is a law in place to back it up.

That's right if some of the people here were to go back in time say early 30s 40s they would be shocked at how the world was then . Things change hopefully for the better,but not always.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by montblanc

scientific racism was invented in the 1600s

racism was VERY much alive during churchill's time

You want to control peoples’ thoughts do you?

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You want to control peoples’ thoughts do you?

huh? i was simply responding to bitontheslides' comment that racism wasn't a defined thing during churchill's time

i'm confused as to how i'm trying to control peoples' thoughts

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that's not true, as racism wasn't a defined thing, and one cant say someone is doing right or wrong unless there is a law in place to back it up.

It doesn't matter if it was a defined thing at the time, we can apply current labels to past people.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It doesn't matter if it was a defined thing at the time, we can apply current labels to past people.

People can try - but it would have no legitimacy. It would just make some people feel better. I actually find that quite sad.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by montblanc

huh? i was simply responding to bitontheslides' comment that racism wasn't a defined thing during churchill's time

i'm confused as to how i'm trying to control peoples' thoughts

It wasn’t considered a crime then and was a common belief. You can’t apply the rules of today to people of the past. It is just vindictive and controlling rubbish with the thought police doing their worst.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It wasn’t considered a crime then and was a common belief. You can’t apply the rules of today to people of the past. It is just vindictive and controlling rubbish with the thought police doing their worst.

racism isn't even considered a crime today

and saying that racism wasn't a thing during churchill's time is incorrect

[montblanc]

yes, racism was more of a common belief back then than it is now but Mit wasn't a non-entity like some are you are trying to make out

race and racism were created decades before churchill's time and many non-black people during that time were not racists

[Crimson Dynamo]

nawt people trying to defend this to be contrary

[montblanc]

nawt people trying to say that racism wasn't a thing during the WWII

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by montblanc

racism isn't even considered a crime today

and saying that racism wasn't a thing during churchill's time is incorrect

I believe it is considered a hate crime.

Depends what you mean by a thing - it was not in the way it is now because the majority of people thought that way. Also over-controlling PC is considered a thing by many today so do you accept it as wrong?

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I believe it is considered a hate crime.

Depends what you mean by a thing - it was not in the way it is now because the majority of people thought that way. Also over-controlling PC is considered a thing by many today so do you accept it as wrong?

racism ITSELF isn't considered a crime

and it doesn't depend on anything. racism was alive during WWII and many people acknowledged that. like i stated before, racism has been a 'thing' since the 1600s

[montblanc]

and don't imply that 'over-controlling PC' is the same as racism

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by montblanc

and don't imply that 'over-controlling PC' is the same as racism

It is as it is trying to force your opinions onto others. It is over-bearing and dictorial and has no place in modern society. And as to what is considered racism is often down to someone’s perception rather than cold hard facts.

[RileyH]

what is this

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It is as it is trying to force your opinions onto others. It is over-bearing and dictorial and has no place in modern society. And as to what is considered racism is often down to someone’s perception rather than cold hard facts.

racism isn't about forcing your opinions on someone though it's HATRED

and i don't understand how it is down to someone's perception

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by montblanc

racism isn't about forcing your opinions on someone though it's HATRED

and i don't understand how it is down to someone's perception

There are many occasions where people throw that allegation around incorrectly because they perceive an innocent comment as ‘racist’.

Just because someone makes such an allegation does not necessarily make it true. To think every single allegation made is based on cold hard facts is either naive or completely biased and agenda-based.