[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I've never heard of a death in a family described as 'having an edge' before...
..how very devious of Scott..

Now now you are just being ridiculous and reading something into my post that was clearly not there....

[Ammi]

..what is a 'healthy' environment to one person in grief would not necessarily be so to another..we all react to things differently and we all 'need' different types of support...there are no rules for grief or any other type of emotion...we don't know anything about Scott's family situation..he may never have met his sister or been estranged for a very long time..we don't know whether it's a step sister who he may not have been close to or even have known very well..if anyone wants to form a negative opinion of Scott's decision to stay in the house 'for now' based on what little they know...don't vote for him when he's nominated..

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by CherieB

BB is different to Xfactor though in that the premise is you dont know how the public feel about you or what is being shown....so he has already been out to get the news...hes gone back in...okay...but if he goes back out for the funeral...he will have an edge over other HMs...so the playing field is far from level....after what happened with Tom last year which obviously couldnt have been foreseen, the Producers should have put a clause in place to say if there is a family problem and you have to leave, then thats it you have to leave end of.

It's all been done before though CherieB, BB did this with Tom last year and he appeared to gain no knowledge of what the public thought when he left after hearing of the bereavement and then going to the funeral.

Why is it alright for Tom to have had this situation last year but not Scott have the same this year.
I think it was Tom's Grandfather who died last year,I am not sure of that but never-the-less he continued in BB afterwards,I supported him too on that,it was a decision for him and him alone as with Scott..

Nothing unique is happening here if Scott goes to the funeral then does what Tom did and carry on in BB.
Or do people possibly just not like Scott for some reason hence more attacks on him personally despite him keeping this very firmly to himself,which it should be,it's a private family matter.

[Mrluvaluva]

If he chooses to speak about it in the house, then that's up to him. If he does, I am sure this will make some people happy, and they can then form an opinion on him, based on this matter. Until then, I don't see the point in some people banging on about it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It's all been done before though CherieB, BB did this with Tom last year and he appeared to gain no knowledge of what the public thought when he left after hearing of the bereavement and then going to the funeral.

Why is it alright for Tom to have had this situation last year but not Scott have the same this year.
I think it was Tom's Grandfather who died last year,I am not sure of that but never-the-less he continued in BB afterwards,I supported him too on that,it was a decision for him and him alone as with Scott..Nothing unique is happening here if Scott goes to the funeral then does what Tom did and carry on in BB.
Or do people possibly just not like Scott for some reason hence more attacks on him personally despite him keeping this very firmly to himself,which it should be,it's a private family matter.

Joey if you read my post again I said the producers should have put something in place given this has already happened last year to prevent HMs leaving and returning.... a clause in their contract to say if they have to leave for personal reasons they cannot return....one of the fundamental rules of BB is no contact with the outside world...I had no problem with Tom leaving last year as it had never happened before in BB history to my knowledge, but really this year a HM leaving and returning was preventable in my opinion.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

If he chooses to speak about it in the house, then that's up to him. If he does, I am sure this will make some people happy, and they can then form an opinion on him, based on this matter. Until then, I don't see the point in some people banging on about it.

..I agree..for all we know he may have already spoken to some of the hm's..he did say he wanted to talk to Becky..but BB may have edited out any mention of it as it is private to Scott and his family

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

If he chooses to speak about it in the house, then that's up to him. If he does, I am sure this will make some people happy, and they can then form an opinion on him, based on this matter. Until then, I don't see the point in some people banging on about it.

Maybe we enjoy banging...

[Visage]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

If he chooses to speak about it in the house, then that's up to him. If he does, I am sure this will make some people happy, and they can then form an opinion on him, based on this matter. Until then, I don't see the point in some people banging on about it.

It reminds me a little of Freezer-gate last year. No one really knew what had happened, (at the time) but the speculation went on for weeks.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what is a 'healthy' environment to one person in grief would not necessarily be so to another..we all react to things differently and we all 'need' different types of support...there are no rules for grief or any other type of emotion...we don't know anything about Scott's family situation..he may never have met his sister or been estranged for a very long time..we don't know whether it's a step sister who he may not have been close to or even have known very well..if anyone wants to form a negative opinion of Scott's decision to stay in the house 'for now' based on what little they know...don't vote for him when he's nominated..

Whilst that maybe true. I can't think how appearing on a Reality TV show could possibly be a good way to deal with grief.

[spitfire]

Originally Posted by Redway

In which case I'll add you to mine.

Please don't, I will be mortified.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

Whilst that maybe true. I can't think how appearing on a Reality TV show could possibly be a good way to deal with grief.

That's your view. Everybody has different views. He's entitled to make his own decisions.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

That's your view. Everybody has different views. He's entitled to make his own decisions.

Correct. That's the whole point of forums and debate!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

Whilst that maybe true. I can't think how appearing on a Reality TV show could possibly be a good way to deal with grief.

..well I guess a large part of it depends on how close the person you are grieving was..that's not been made clear..
..I'm sure Scott has talked it over with his family as well as BB and the psychologists and they're all ok with the decision...he seems ok atm from what we've seen of him in the HL show..no doubt BB are keeping a close eye on him

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

Correct. That's the whole point of forums and debate!

Really? Can you just clarify what it is we are actually debating?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Really? Can you just clarify what it is we are actually debating?

Well if you havent grasped the various nuances of this thread, I don't think there is any point spelling it out for you!:

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by CherieB

Well if you havent grasped the various nuances of this thread, I don't think there is any point spelling it out for you!:

Well let me spell out the reasoning of my post for you, as you obviously haven't grasped what I was trying to say.

I don't think there is actually anything to debate about. We do not have all the facts to hand for a start, so therefore cannot make an informed opinion, should we wish to. I really do not understand why it is so important to some people to know?

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..well I guess a large part of it depends on how close the person you are grieving was..that's not been made clear..
..I'm sure Scott has talked it over with his family as well as BB and the psychologists and they're all ok with the decision...he seems ok atm from what we've seen of him in the HL show..no doubt BB are keeping a close eye on him

Well...seems you've changed the rules on me. Before you were saying we shouldn't be speculating and making assumptions, and in your last two posts you've done exactly that yourself.

You don't know that his family are fine with him staying in the house, they may be horrified by his decision to stay, for all we know!

[Cherie]

Mr Luvaluva, several issues have been discussed over the course of the thread, what is important to one forum member is not necessarily important to someone else, this is what makes a forum if we all sang from the same hymn sheet there would be nothing to say, and no forum. numerous threads are based on speculation, not just this one...

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by CherieB

Mr Luvaluva, several issues have been discussed over the course of the thread, what is important to one forum member is not necessarily important to someone else, this is what makes a forum if we all sang from the same hymn sheet there would be nothing to say, and no forum. numerous threads are based on speculation, not just this one...

Thanks for stating the obvious.

I am entitled to my opinion also, so what is your point?

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what is a 'healthy' environment to one person in grief would not necessarily be so to another..we all react to things differently and we all 'need' different types of support...there are no rules for grief or any other type of emotion...we don't know anything about Scott's family situation..he may never have met his sister or been estranged for a very long time..we don't know whether it's a step sister who he may not have been close to or even have known very well..if anyone wants to form a negative opinion of Scott's decision to stay in the house 'for now' based on what little they know...don't vote for him when he's nominated..

Perfectly put.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by CherieB

Joey if you read my post again I said the producers should have put something in place given this has already happened last year to prevent HMs leaving and returning.... a clause in their contract to say if they have to leave for personal reasons they cannot return....one of the fundamental rules of BB is no contact with the outside world...I had no problem with Tom leaving last year as it had never happened before in BB history to my knowledge, but really this year a HM leaving and returning was preventable in my opinion.

I wasn't criticising you at all CherieB, largely I agree something could have been put in place, it would though have been unfair to permit someone last year to go out for a funeral and refuse this year.

There was also that instance of a housemate getting injured too, a couple of years ago but the door would have been left open for her to return had she wished and been able to.

It would seem having allowed this to happen last year they couldn't justifiably put in place such severe conditions that if there was a bereavement but the person wished to continue on BB that they couldn't now.
It may well be that Scott may not want to attend the funeral anyway, we don't know what the discussions are or what his needs and wants are right now.

My point is, why, if Tom wasn't castigated for attending a funeral last year and continuing in the BB house,should Scott be getting such a negative reaction to his situation now, especially as you point out with no other planning or conditions in place to accommodate these circumstances arising.
None of it is Scott's fault at all.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Really? Can you just clarify what it is we are actually debating?

Please read through through the previous posts, so u don't make a 'tit' out of yourself in future. For one, we were talking of whether the BB house is a healthy environment to be in, if a close relative passed, or whatever. It doesn't even have to be about Scott, per se.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

Well...seems you've changed the rules on me. Before you were saying we shouldn't be speculating and making assumptions, and in your last two posts you've done exactly that yourself.

You don't know that his family are fine with him staying in the house, they may be horrified by his decision to stay, for all we know!

..I'm assuming that BB feel he's fine to be there as he's still in the house..whether that's correct or not..no I don't know..neither do I know how his family feel..you are right...I don't know that they're horrified either...
..in fact I know nothing at all..and based on that there is nothing else for me to post in this thread for the moment...
..I respect Scott's decision to remain in the house..it was his decision to make and hopefully he has the support of his family too

..as I say..grief is personal..it's something you have to do by yourself..what environment you choose for that is entirely up to the individual..

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by psychtracker

Please read through through the previous posts, so u don't make a 'tit' out of yourself in future. For one, we were talking of whether the BB house is a healthy environment to be in, if a close relative passed, or whatever. It doesn't even have to be about Scott, per se.

Your ignorance is astounding. I am actually aware of what has been discussed in the thread. If you read through yourself, you will find I have actually previously posted in relation to the subjects discussed. Do not take everything read as so literal. And of course the thread is mostly about Scott and peoples opinions on the situation.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Your ignorance is astounding. I am actually aware of what has been discussed in the thread. If you read through yourself, you will find I have actually previously posted in relation to the subjects discussed. Do not take everything read as so literal. And of course the thread is mostly about Scott and peoples opinions on the situation.

You merely inserted yourself into the middle of this discussion to stir things up..end of.