[Verbal]

Schooled

[Daffodil]

If anyone uses the N word conversationally it does reflect racism. Most of us have been aware of the word all our lives but we are also aware of its deep and harmful connotations so we choose to store it away in the 'words I will not use' cupboard in our brain.
I am not saying that Ron is necessarily a bad man. It is probably the way he was brought up.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Lewarse

I think Ron Atikinson knows the N word is unacceptable too, the guy used it in an off the cuff remark without thinking. It doesn't make it right but as others have already said, we all say s**t we don't necessarily mean and live to regret it.

Do you think your Dad didn't ever utter that word or any other racial remarks in his last 20 years of his life? Even though he knew it was unacceptable? Doesn't necessarily mean he hates black people, it was prevalent in that generation. As easy as you make it sound, one of the hardest things to do in life is change.

why is it always the dads? My dad has never said a racist word in his life, nor has by grand dad, my mother on the other hand, oh brother

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Ignorance is bliss.

yet it is but who is ignorant?

[reece(:]

He was racist outside of the house.. who cares, he could be a changed man now.
He's a bore inside the house and that's the real problem.

[anne666]

Racism and Homophobia are endemic in football. Cave men rule

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I understand what you're saying Miranda, there was a lot of racist comedians etc 'back in the day'..the 'day' that was meant to be such a greater day than today as well and a lot of it was ignorance, people not being educated etc..but isn't that what racism is though...ignorance..?....

I remember a comedian called Charlie Williams, he was a black man with a thick yorkshire accent, he used to make jokes at his own expense, I remember he used to threaten that if you didn't shut up he'd move next door to you! and in his day that was seen as very funny. Nowadays his jokes wouldn't be tolerated and rightly so as he was making out that it was a bad thing to be black. I wonder how other black people used to see him back then? I also remember really racial TV shows called Love Thy Neighbour, and Till Death Us Do Part. I'm quite ashamed to say I used to find those shows really funny and its only years down the line that I realise how ignorant I was.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by anne666

Racism and Homophobia are endemic in football. Cave men rule

Get off your soapbox football has done a hell of a lot to combat racism almost now to the degree of paranoi in fact.


Homophobia could still do with a bit of working on I'll concede to that.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I remember a comedian called Charlie Williams, he was a black man with a thick yorkshire accent, he used to make jokes at his own expense, I remember he used to threaten that if you didn't shut up he'd move next door to you! and in his day that was seen as very funny. Nowadays his jokes wouldn't be tolerated and rightly so as he was making out that it was a bad thing to be black. I wonder how other black people used to see him back then? I also remember really racial TV shows called Love Thy Neighbour, and Till Death Us Do Part. I'm quite ashamed to say I used to find those shows really funny and its only years down the line that I realise how ignorant I was.

My mum showed me a comedy they had back in the day called 'till death do us part' man that was hilarious. It was good too because it made the racist guy out be a right plonker I think that sort of programme would be a good way to expose racism.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I remember a comedian called Charlie Williams, he was a black man with a thick yorkshire accent, he used to make jokes at his own expense, I remember he used to threaten that if you didn't shut up he'd move next door to you! and in his day that was seen as very funny. Nowadays his jokes wouldn't be tolerated and rightly so as he was making out that it was a bad thing to be black. I wonder how other black people used to see him back then? I also remember really racial TV shows called Love Thy Neighbour, and Till Death Us Do Part. I'm quite ashamed to say I used to find those shows really funny and its only years down the line that I realise how ignorant I was.

Funny you should mention 'Love Thy Neighbour' Tozzie!....as I only found out not long ago, that my all-time favourite BB contestant Derek Laud was cast to star in a channel 4 re-make of the programme about 5 years ago!...I'm not sure what happened to it?...if it was axed, or just never shown,...but I certainly knew nothing about it until I happened across it the other week!...but I found a short clip of it on youtube.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7oyBbmyI68


the production quality [as well as Derek's acting] is pretty naff, as you can tell...so I wonder if this bit was filmed and supposed to convince chan 4 bosses to back it?...[and of course probably failed!]

btw Tozzie, I have heard Rudolph Walker speak with pride about Love Thy Neighbour several times!...he boasts that it was the first time on British television that a Black man was equal to a white man!...and who are we to argue with that?

....oh!..and note that Derek and the lady playing his wife were referring to themselves as "Black People!"...I mention this because there are people on this thread [can't remember who now?] that says that it is disrespectful for us to refer to 'black people' as black!...which I found rather confusing! ...but thankfully...you making me look at this clip of Derek again... has cleared it up for me!

Cheers.

BTW...I come from a couple of miles away from where Charlie Williams grew up, and we are about the same age...but can't say that I knew him before he became a famous footballer/ then comedian....But I did meet him several times in passing later on in life...he was a smashing cheerful bloke, just like he was on the telly!...and though I couldn't say that I knew him too well...I think that you can safely assume that Charlie was proud to be black, and couldn't give a crap what anyone else thought about him, and his act!..and would have hoped that you had fond memories of him

[RichardG]

Big Ron at it again in tonights highlights episode

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

My mum showed me a comedy they had back in the day called 'till death do us part' man that was hilarious. It was good too because it made the racist guy out be a right plonker I think that sort of programme would be a good way to expose racism.

It was brilliant. But, unfortunately Alf Garnett ended up being somewhat adopted by the fascist stripe, who were laughing at his jokes rather than him. Much to the annoyance of the actor. Same thing happened with Enfield's Loadsa Money character, I believe.

[eta] I think more people got were laughing affectionately at him though than were agreeing with him

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by DanaC

It was brilliant. But, unfortunately Alf Garnett ended up being somewhat adopted by the fascist stripe, who were laughing at his jokes rather than him. Much to the annoyance of the actor. Same thing happened with Enfield's Loadsa Money character, I believe.

Just makes them look stupid then, it was quite clearly done to show racists as a bit backward and for them to adopt him is quite ironic.

[DanaC]

Well...that's British fascists for ya....full of irony.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Lex

Funny you should mention 'Love Thy Neighbour' Tozzie!....as I only found out not long ago, that my all-time favourite BB contestant Derek Laud was cast to star in a channel 4 re-make of the programme about 5 years ago!...I'm not sure what happened to it?...if it was axed, or just never shown,...but I certainly knew nothing about it until I happened across it the other week!...but I found a short clip of it on youtube.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7oyBbmyI68


the production quality [as well as Derek's acting] is pretty naff, as you can tell...so I wonder if this bit was filmed and supposed to convince chan 4 bosses to back it?...[and of course probably failed!]

btw Tozzie, I have heard Rudolph Walker speak with pride about Love Thy Neighbour several times!...he boasts that it was the first time on British television that a Black man was equal to a white man!...and who are we to argue with that?

....oh!..and note that Derek and the lady playing his wife were referring to themselves as "Black People!"...I mention this because there are people on this thread [can't remember who now?] that says that it is disrespectful for us to refer to 'black people' as black!...which I found rather confusing! ...but thankfully...you making me look at this clip of Derek again... has cleared it up for me!

Cheers.

BTW...I come from a couple of miles away from where Charlie Williams grew up, and we are about the same age...but can't say that I knew him before he became a famous footballer/ then comedian....But I did meet him several times in passing later on in life...he was a smashing cheerful bloke, just like he was on the telly!...and though I couldn't say that I knew him too well...I think that you can safely assume that Charlie was proud to be black, and couldn't give a crap what anyone else thought about him, and his act!..and would have hoped that you had fond memories of him

Oh yes, Charlie was a really happy Chappie, I do have fond memories of him. He had a fabulous smile too. My dad is a pianist and he told me Charlie came to our house on a few occasions. I don't remember how come he came or even him being there as I was too small but my dad tells me Charlie was a really nice man. I'm going to ask my dad how Charlie came to be coming to our house!

[MrWong]

So we've got the comment about the footy player.

The comment about Chinese women being the ugliest women in the world.

And now offensively stereotyping muslims as bombers.

[CaudleHalbard]

Ron's certainly covering all the minorities, isn't he!

[smudgie]

Silly man.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Well...that's British fascists for ya....full of irony.

I'm sure we could extend that to European neo nazi groups too. Especially those in countries that were occupied once upon a time by a totalitarian regime not so long ago.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

I'm sure we could extend that to European neo nazi groups too. Especially those in countries that were occupied once upon a time by a totalitarian regime not so long ago.

*nods* don't expect logic from them

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by MrWong

So we've got the comment about the footy player.

The comment about Chinese women being the ugliest women in the world.

And now offensively stereotyping muslims as bombers.

He's going for the full flush.....

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by DanaC

He's going for the full flush.....

The Chinese comment was no doubt in bad taste but just to play devils advocate here I could use a little help on something.

I don't find Chinese women sexually attractive (in general). I also am not attracted to black females just mainly Caucasian females.

Does that make me a racist?

[brucie]

why is he known as 'big' ron..when he is in fact a small minded, backward caveman from the midlands who thinks his toilet racist humour is funny...football is full of this scum...e.g john terry.

[brucie]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

The Chinese comment was no doubt in bad taste but just to play devils advocate here I could use a little help on something.

I don't find Chinese women sexually attractive (in general). I also am not attracted to black females just mainly Caucasian females.

Does that make me a racist?

chinese women probably wouldn't look at you mate..so don't get on your high horse about liking particular race of females..

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by brucie

chinese women probably wouldn't look at you mate..so don't get on your high horse about liking particular race of females..

Yes because I think that highly of myself I was asking a genuine question fix that attitude of yours.