[arista]

Ch4HD News said the a Early Vote Count was 92% want Crimea to be Russian


Of Course America says it wrong
but Putin is in Charge
not America

[Sticks]

irrelevant

This poll is illegal

There was no - No change option

This is Putin wanting to bring back the USSR.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

irrelevant

This poll is illegal

There was no - No change option

This is Putin wanting to bring back the USSR.

Yes of course to You and America
But not to Russian Speaking public in Crimea


Of Course its Putins Russia expanding
he is sick of Nato

[Novo]

92% now **** off America

[arista]

Originally Posted by Novo

92% now **** off America

You tell 'em

[Sticks]

Some people here have never lived under the oppression of communism where freedom of thought and association were banned and neighbours were made to spy on each other and denounce them.

Have you forgotten the Berlin Wall?

Have you never read Animal Farm?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Some people here have never lived under the oppression of communism where freedom of thought and association were banned and neighbours were made to spy on each other and denounce them.

Have you forgotten the Berlin Wall?

Have you never read Animal Farm?

Russia is not the same now
They Give us Gas


Yes The Berlin Wall
with young Paxman

[Novo]

How can you deny the people of Crimea the right to be a part of Russia with those figures, Putin has done the right thing by Russia and Crimea and these results show that

[arista]

Originally Posted by Novo

How can you deny the people of Crimea the right to be a part of Russia with those figures, Putin has done the right thing by the Russia and Crimea and these results show that

Yes the Russian Speakers
are baking cakes


how nice

[Novo]

None for those nosy western Journos though, horrible bastards

[arista]

Originally Posted by Novo

None for those nosy western Journos though, horrible bastards

they will spare one for that nice lady reporter from Ch4HD News

[Sticks]

This is an annexation. The last time we saw that was when Saddam Hussain annexed Kuwait

This phony referendum did not have the option to remain part of the Ukraine, which is why those wishing to remain in the Ukraine boycotted it.

It is easy to hire rent a mob to make your self look good, dictators do it all the time.

[joeysteele]

It would seem to have been the wrong thing to have done to have Crimea as part of Ukraine anyway when the break up happened.

It is clear that the residents of Crimea favour being still a part of Russia.
This referendum may not be seen as valid by the rest of the World in the main but it has clearly at least given the people in Crimea's view as to where they would like to be.

If that is, with such a big margin, to be part of Russia, it would be rather foolish of the West particularly to now ignore that fact.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

This is an annexation. The last time we saw that was when Saddam Hussain annexed Kuwait

This phony referendum did not have the option to remain part of the Ukraine, which is why those wishing to remain in the Ukraine boycotted it.

It is easy to hire rent a mob to make your self look good, dictators do it all the time.

No they are Not bombing like then.


Russian Speakers have Rights

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It would seem to have been the wrong thing to have done to have Crimea as part of Ukraine anyway when the break up happened.

It is clear that the residents of Crimea favour being still a part of Russia.
This referendum may not be seen as valid by the rest of the World in the main but it has clearly at least given the people in Crimea's view as to where they would like to be.

If that is, with such a big margin, to be part of Russia, it would be rather foolish of the West particularly to now ignore that fact.

Bang On Right Joey

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Sticks

This is an annexation. The last time we saw that was when Saddam Hussain annexed Kuwait

This phony referendum did not have the option to remain part of the Ukraine, which is why those wishing to remain in the Ukraine boycotted it.

It is easy to hire rent a mob to make your self look good, dictators do it all the time.

There wasn't a 'hired rent a mob', there was an 80% turnout for the vote and there were over 100 registered international observers overseeing the vote

There was the choice to stay as part of Ukraine, though that choice was to remain based on the 1992 constitution which grants greater autonomy than they have had in recent years (though still a part of Ukraine). I'd be amazed if there was even a tiny minority of people in Crimea who want to stay in Ukraine under the current Kiev government and with very little autonomy of their own.

[Shaun]

95.5%

gosh.

[Z]

Well I say just let them go. It's very clearly what the people want.

[BBfanUSA]

I agree,

people are getting super worried about Putin and Russia right now.

I think this will end in two ways, Putin is going to at least get shot by someone with Russian ties or Russia will just put it's wanker away.

If East Ukrainians want to be a part of Russia why haven't they moved there then? Surely the government would accept them right?

[arista]

The USA President
is on all Live Media.

He is off to Europe next week worried about what Russia will do next

For feck sake sort out you own mess in USA
Do not fly out here - You fecking fool

http://news.sky.com/story/1227136/ob...ions-on-russia

[Z]

Originally Posted by BBfanUSA

I agree,

people are getting super worried about Putin and Russia right now.

I think this will end in two ways, Putin is going to at least get shot by someone with Russian ties or Russia will just put it's wanker away.

If East Ukrainians want to be a part of Russia why haven't they moved there then? Surely the government would accept them right?

East Ukrainians don't want to be part of Russia, they identify with being Ukrainian in the cultural sense, Ukraine is their home. They also identify strongly with Russia. Russian industry is why eastern Ukraine is prosperous. It's not too dissimilar to Scotland-within-the-UK line of thinking. It makes more sense for Russia to have its finger in other pies (i.e. other countries' politics by having a large number of Russian people living there) than to just take all those people back. It's like how China sends lots of people to its Western provinces to dilute the impact of separatist movements like Tibet and the Uyghurs in Xinjiang. There is a lot of irrational paranoia about Vladimir Putin but everything he's done thus far has been completely rational and the West can't do anything about it. The West set the precedent with Kosovo and they couldn't do anything about it when Russia stormed right up to Tbilisi in just five days in 2008. Russia simply protected its minorities in Georgian territory. There's been a strong sense of paranoia ever since in eastern Europe about "who's next" and now it's happening in the Ukraine. That's not Russia's fault. Russia has more of a leg to stand on than the West did when their combined forces entered Iraq or Afghanistan - nobody likes war or conflict but sometimes it's necessary and there's a lot of propaganda being written about Russia and the Ukraine just now because they're not on our side.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Sticks

This is an annexation. The last time we saw that was when Saddam Hussain annexed Kuwait

This phony referendum did not have the option to remain part of the Ukraine, which is why those wishing to remain in the Ukraine boycotted it.

It is easy to hire rent a mob to make your self look good, dictators do it all the time.

I think the West set a precedent with the annexation of Kosovo from Serbia. On this occasion it suited the West to have Kosovo declare independence but it took 93 days of bombing Serbia to finally allow this. The majority of Kosovans are ethnic Albanian and so democratically this is an acceptable outcome.

As is the Crimea in fact even more so as over 90% are Russian and WANT to be part of Russia plus this situation has resulted from no blood being spilt.

So where is the problem ? There is no problem other than the West forcing Mr Putin to take this step due to the meddling in Ukraine to depose the unpopular elected President.

As always Mr Putin is playing chess and Mr Obama is playing marbles...!!!

[Z]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I think the West set a precedent with the annexation of Kosovo from Serbia. On this occasion it suited the West to have Kosovo declare independence but it took 93 days of bombing Serbia to finally allow this. The majority of Kosovans are ethnic Albanian and so democratically this is an acceptable outcome.

As is the Crimea in fact even more so as over 90% are Russian and WANT to be part of Russia plus this situation has resulted from no blood being spilt.

So where is the problem ? There is no problem other than the West forcing Mr Putin to take this step due to the meddling in Ukraine to depose the unpopular elected President.

As always Mr Putin is playing chess and Mr Obama is playing marbles...!!!

Yes absolutely, Kosovo was the precedent, and now the West doesn't have a leg to stand on, it was a very foolish move.

[BBfanUSA]

Originally Posted by Z

East Ukrainians don't want to be part of Russia, they identify with being Ukrainian in the cultural sense, Ukraine is their home. They also identify strongly with Russia. Russian industry is why eastern Ukraine is prosperous. It's not too dissimilar to Scotland-within-the-UK line of thinking. It makes more sense for Russia to have its finger in other pies (i.e. other countries' politics by having a large number of Russian people living there) than to just take all those people back. It's like how China sends lots of people to its Western provinces to dilute the impact of separatist movements like Tibet and the Uyghurs in Xinjiang. There is a lot of irrational paranoia about Vladimir Putin but everything he's done thus far has been completely rational and the West can't do anything about it. The West set the precedent with Kosovo and they couldn't do anything about it when Russia stormed right up to Tbilisi in just five days in 2008. Russia simply protected its minorities in Georgian territory. There's been a strong sense of paranoia ever since in eastern Europe about "who's next" and now it's happening in the Ukraine. That's not Russia's fault. Russia has more of a leg to stand on than the West did when their combined forces entered Iraq or Afghanistan - nobody likes war or conflict but sometimes it's necessary and there's a lot of propaganda being written about Russia and the Ukraine just now because they're not on our side.

Oh i see then sorry.

I actually forgot about that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by BBfanUSA

I agree,

people are getting super worried about Putin and Russia right now.

I think this will end in two ways, Putin is going to at least get shot by someone with Russian ties or Russia will just put it's wanker away.

If East Ukrainians want to be a part of Russia why haven't they moved there then? Surely the government would accept them right?

No Way

The USA President could be shot next week as he arrives in Europe
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