[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by letmein

Please don't bring up pedophilia in a thread about homosexuality. Thanks.

[letmein]

This is a question that can only be answered by gay people and the answer is YES.

Whether it's due to genetics or something that happens hormonally in the womb is another story.

One thing that is not debatable: it cannot be altered. Attempting to can lead to deadly consequences.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by letmein

This is a question that can only be answered by gay people and the answer is YES.

Whether it's due to genetics or something that happens hormonally in the womb is another story.

One thing that is not debatable: it cannot be altered. Attempting to can lead to deadly consequences.

Why can it only be answered by gay people? What about scientists who research it? The answer is yes in your opinion.

What if it's neither in the womb or genetics? What if it develops through early childhood? There's no scientific proof of a right answer at this stage.

Originally Posted by letmein

We're actually hard wired. It's called survival. It's nature. We have natural/human instinct.

Yes, but how is this to do with sexuality?

[letmein]

Originally Posted by hownwbrowncow

Why can it only be answered by gay people? What about scientists who research it? The answer is yes in your opinion.

What if it's neither in the womb or genetics? What if it develops through early childhood? There's no scientific proof of a right answer at this stage.



Yes, but how is this to do with sexuality?

Sexuality is hardwired. There are health benefits to sex. In order for the human race to survive, we need to reproduce. The reason why we masturbate is to let off steam as to not kill one another. Sex also socializes species. Children are also sexual beings. Boys have erections in the womb. Children explore their private parts. Anyone who's studied Freud understands this. Homosexuality takes place in the animal kingdom as well. These are not taught traits. They're biological. It's coded.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by letmein

Sexuality is hardwired. There are health benefits to sex. In order for the human race to survive, we need to reproduce. The reason why we masturbate is to let off steam as to not kill one another. Sex also socializes species. Children are also sexual beings. Boys have erections in the womb. Children explore their private parts. Anyone who's studied Freud understands this. Homosexuality takes place in the animal kingdom as well. These are not taught traits. They're biological. It's coded.

Anyone who's studied Freud will know that many psychologists dispute his conclusions about sex and sexuality, which used data gathered mostly from unreliable and ungeneralsible case studies of people who knew, understood and supported his work. His views on homosexuality were inconsistent, and at one point he stated that all humans were born bisexual, which would suggest that people who identify as either completely heterosexual or homosexual would have had to develop this throughout their early childhood.

Surely Freud supported the nurture side of the debate, believing that children initially want to copulate with their mothers before environmental factors caused them to direct their libido elsewhere?

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

Surely Freud supported the nurture side of the debate, believing that children initially want to copulate with their mothers before environmental factors caused them to direct their libido elsewhere?

I should specify male children, I'm not sure about his views on female sexuality.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by letmein

Sexuality is hardwired. There are health benefits to sex. In order for the human race to survive, we need to reproduce. The reason why we masturbate is to let off steam as to not kill one another. Sex also socializes species. Children are also sexual beings. Boys have erections in the womb. Children explore their private parts. Anyone who's studied Freud understands this. Homosexuality takes place in the animal kingdom as well. These are not taught traits. They're biological. It's coded.

Yes, our sexual desire is natural and part of human nature.

But our sexual preferences are not.

If our sexuality was "hardwired" then surely the human race as a whole would be attracted to the same things / or attracted to everyone. But we're not.

The whole purpose of sex for humans biologically is to reproduce so obviously homosexual feelings does not stem from that. Unless you're of the belief that homosexuality came about to control overpopulation but I find that preposterous.

[kirklancaster]

When I was young and me mam got preggie
I prayed for a little bruvver.
But she went and had bloody triplets
One of each and one of the uvver.

What does it all REALLY matter?

We are what we are and are who we are. Departure points are unimportant, it's arrival at our destination and the journey in between which matter.

'Tempus Fugit' and Life is Short', so make the best of it, and enjoy every precious moment.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, our sexual desire is natural and part of human nature.

But our sexual preferences are not.

If our sexuality was "hardwired" then surely the human race as a whole would be attracted to the same things / or attracted to everyone. But we're not.

The whole purpose of sex for humans biologically is to reproduce so obviously homosexual feelings does not stem from that. Unless you're of the belief that homosexuality came about to control overpopulation but I find that preposterous.

100% agree. I think to be attracted to someone is natural but who you're attracted to depends on you're environment. This would also explain why people tend to be more attracted to their own ethnicities. And why different cultures have different standards of beauty.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

100% agree. I think to be attracted to someone is natural but who you're attracted to depends on you're environment. This would also explain why people tend to be more attracted to their own ethnicities. And why different cultures have different standards of beauty.

actually that doesn't explain it at all, because diversity is actually evolutionarily preferable, the bigger the gene pool the more a species can flourish. So if it was all about reproduction then people would be less attracted to people of similar ethnicities and similar backgrounds.

[Ashley.]

Apparently everyone's got a streak of homosexuality in them, one of my co-workers said today.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Apparently everyone's got a streak of homosexuality in them, one of my co-workers said today.

I think that is perfectly true.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Apparently everyone's got a streak of homosexuality in them, one of my co-workers said today.

I've heard that too. Possibly it's linked in with the Kinsey scale?

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I've heard that too. Possibly it's linked in with the Kinsey scale?

Possibly, I'm sure I remember learning about this at school.

I always think about it in percentages. Everyone's at least 1% homosexual. I wouldn't doubt it tbh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Apparently everyone's got a streak of homosexuality in them, one of my co-workers said today.

the standard line when someone got drunk and gave someone a handjob in a bush

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the standard line when someone got drunk and gave someone a handjob in a bush

As long as I'm the one receiving the handjob - 'I'll buy that for a dollar'.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the standard line when someone got drunk and gave someone a handjob in a bush

Well they do say it's about 6 pints between straight and gay.

[Crimson Dynamo]

my only gay bit is being on this site. only me, the truth sticks and arista are straight

even kirk is on the turn


...but we just have the one lesbianasexual.....

[Marsh.]

I have my doubts about the truth. He hates vagina.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I have my doubts about the truth. He hates vagina.

could he be an angry gay?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

could he be an angry gay?

The worst.

I've seen Cucumber.

[Marsh.]

[AProducer'sWetDream]

In my opinion (as a gay person) we are not (at least not all of us) born gay. That's not to say you have any choice in the matter or can change it. But I believe that your sexuality is determined, like most other aspects of our personality, by our upbringing, memories, experiences, environment etc.

I think this happens very early on as I cannot remember a time I ever had an interest in girls, but I don't think there is a 'gay gene'. I'm happy to be proven wrong, though!

[letmein]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

In my opinion (as a gay person) we are not (at least not all of us) born gay. That's not to say you have any choice in the matter or can change it. But I believe that your sexuality is determined, like most other aspects of our personality, by our upbringing, memories, experiences, environment etc.

I think this happens very early on as I cannot remember a time I ever had an interest in girls, but I don't think there is a 'gay gene'. I'm happy to be proven wrong, though!

Well, I can confirm that your opinion is wrong.

You're welcome.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Don't you just love well reasoned arguments!