[Vanessa]

It's good to have a debate anyway and whatever happens on Friday at least Marco gave us a lot to talk about

[jet]

[QUOTE=Jack_;8725711]

Big Brother exists for us to comment on the goings on with the housemates inside the house, not outside of it.

That's something else we disagree on, but we've been there, done that.

That's the point of the show, it's the same debate that was being had regarding the Andrew tweets. Marco may have mentioned the hall pass he's been given by his fiancé, and said fiancé may have confirmed that on Twitter, but she is not in the house and thus we are not watching their relationship, we know nothing about the ins and outs of it whatsoever because we've never watched them together.

Then Marco shouldn't have put it put there to be commented on because it sure as hell was going to be. People aren't going to change what they do every series to suit Marco. Besides, I'm convinced it was all a plan to get attention and controversy and we are doing exactly what he wants anyway.

I don't see how a relationship we've never witnessed is a part of that.

People are mostly only giving their opinion on what they do know; that Marco has a hall pass but it isn't an open relationship; that he practically jumped on the nearest willing girl; that he now wants to be as 'free as a bird' and not be engaged any more. It's human nature to think "I wonder what the fiance really thinks about all that" etc.
Anyway, this hamster wheel is getting creaky and I've no oil left....

[wendywillow]

hasn't laura seen the show? she should know hooking up with a (semi) attached guy will have her set for early departure, also the uk usually guns for a good looking girl early on anyway....

[chuff me dizzy]

IMO Lauras is worse than him,she heard his name and saw £$ signs

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

IMO Lauras is worse than him,she heard his name and saw £$ signs

I agree and this is why I don't like her.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I agree and this is why I don't like her.

Girl you just want to take her place thats why you dont like her

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I agree and this is why I don't like her.

I cannot bear to look or listen to her, or any of the women in there, only one I half like out the females is Jayne,I didn't watch for 3 days ,as i couldn't bear it,but watched last 2 nights and fast forward the stupid bits, IMO its the worst BB ever ,and Ive seen every series since it started

[sampvt]

She is like a pre war semi. looks interesting downstairs but been knocked about a bit, lovely upstairs but needs worked on and in the attic very vacant and dull in need of restoration

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by MelihV

Girl you just want to take her place thats why you dont like her

No, she's just using him.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yet Marco's just an innocent victim in all this...Get real.

He's an insincere user that doesn't have any respect for women, has the temperament of a child and only thinks with his dick. He's a charmless annoying ingrate that hasn't provided any entertainment and think he's the center of the universe because his dad is rich.

He didn't even take two seconds to think of his 'fiance' he was making moves on the first night. He obviously doesn't care about anyone other than himself and his needs.

Absolutely. Spot on, Dezzy.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Is it an American expression, never heard of it

No idea, Cherie I think it's more of a 'let me call it a 'hall pass' because I'm going to do it anyway' kind of thing tbh.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...oh so much this, Armand.....I doubt that Marco has taken 'all of the blame' for anything in his life or any responsibility whatsoever for anything he does../any of his actions...he seems to completely have a child's thought process and lacking any responsibility or commitment and certainly not in any type of committed relationship...(whatever the 'agreements' of that relationship may be...)...I don't have any thoughts about his fiancé because she knows who he is/what he is and has chosen to be with him and I don't have any thoughts about Laura because she's making her choices in the house as well...(and seems to have an equal child thought process as Marco..)...the whole 'storyline' from all of them seems incredibly contrived and I personally find it just completely boring and have no interest at all...other than the fact that it's taking up more air-time than it deserves....

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not telling anyone it's my way or the highway, i couldn't care less what other people do in their own relationships but I can have an opinion on it especially when it's on Big Brother and we're on a forum voicing our opinions

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Josy

Jack you are essentially saying that no one is entitled to an opinion about Marco's relationship, that's the jist of all of your posts about it on here, well I'm sorry but that's not how life works, yes people are entitled to do what they want, Marco and his fiancee are entitled to have hall passes and open relationships and so on but that doesn't mean others arent going to voice an opinion about it especially when it's being played out on a tv show we are all watching and here to talk about.

There you go again with the you can do this and you can do that, um no, you can have an opinion like everyone else but you won't tell me what I'm allowed to have an opinion on.

Absolutely spot on. Well said.

Jack does make some relevant points but, essentially, if you put your life on display (on BB, social media, etc) you are choosing to share it with others, and it is human nature to have an opinion on it. Others don't have to agree with it, but that view is still valid. Marco has shared all this info on BB, and Josy, you, I and everyone else is entitled to discuss it on a forum which is designed to allow members to do that.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But you're not voicing your opinion on Marco as a housemate, but on the terms of his relationships with his fiancé...who isn't even in the house! If both of them have said that he has a hall pass, what he chooses to do with another woman inside the house is his choice. Criticise the OTT dry humping or his arrogant behaviour all you like, but it isn't anyone's place to comment on his actual relationship or say it's disrespectful when it isn't our relationship. This would apply whether we were talking about a TV show or someone we knew in real life. Just makes you (as in the people that do, not you specifically) look close minded



Yes that's what I am saying because you're not it isn't your relationship, it isn't mine, it isn't anyone else's. It's theirs. If they want to use hall passes or open relationships or whatever that's their prerogative and as much as you may dislike him, his arrogance, the dry humping, nobody is entitled to comment on the state of someone else's relationship or whether it's 'disrespectful' because the only people who can determine that are - shock horror - the people involved in it!

Of course I can't restrain you from actually typing your opinion out, but having an opinion on the state of someone else's relationship (especially one which you watch for 48 minutes a night on a bloody TV show and one half of said relationship isn't even on the programme) and deciding that it's disrespectful on their behalf just because you personally wouldn't ever have hall passes and open relationships of your own just makes you look a bit close minded. It's 2016 fgs, live and let live

But this is your opinion Jack. I think the problem is when you state your opinion as if it is fact.

[smudgie]

Naughty Marco, been dipping his wick where he shouldn't.
Well,if you believe all the hype about him being engaged and having a hall pass.
All just another. storyline by the look of it, publicity stunt, more chance of the fiancé being his agent and Laura and Marco already having a fling before they went into the house.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Naughty Marco, been dipping his wick where he shouldn't.
Well,if you believe all the hype about him being engaged and having a hall pass.
All just another. storyline by the look of it, publicity stunt, more chance of the fiancé being his agent and Laura and Marco already having a fling before they went into the house.

Could be. Another Jezza and Steph

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Forced them what to think? This is a discussion forum (which I seem to have been reminded of rather ironically several times in this thread), if I disagree with someone's position I am going to challenge it and present reasons as to why I think it's wrong. What usually follows is a counter argument as to why they think I'm wrong and thus a debate ensues. That's how forums work

Except that hasn't happened, I've given my opinion as to why I don't believe it's the place of anybody but those involved in a relationship to determine whether it's 'disrespectful' or not and that people's personal opposition to having hall passes and open relationships are clouding their judgement, but no one has told me why they are or given any kind of counter argument that's made me reassess my position, just thrown their proverbial toys out of the pram and said 'well I'm allowed an opinion!!!'...hardly a thought through response is it?

While ever you keep following me around threads pretending to disagree with me, that's not really gonna be believable but okay

From an objective point of view- I am fairly new to the forum and, therefore, have no allegiance to anyone on here- I think other people on here have explained their reasoning, but you are either not hearing it or accepting it- no-one should have to explain themselves again and again when they have made their point, just because it doesn't agree with yours.

[Vanessa]

Can't believe this discussion is still going.

[Daniel-X]

Yeah, it's all her fault! Little Marco has a 'hall pass' from his fiancée so that's fine. He's such a crazy and reckless legend! Not like any other HM we've ever had! Laura should be taking all the blame! She made him kiss her, she made him do foreplay with a belt, she made him suck her nipples and she made him have sex with her!

Jeez Vanessa, I like you but you're crush on Marco seems to warp your vision of what's going and skew your moral compass. They're both to blame, Laura's getting NEARLY ALL the flack for the situation if you notice.

[Daniel-X]

It's the prehistoric misogynstic view people seem to still behold for some reason. If you're a girl and you sleep around you're a wench and deserve any kind of consequence that comes to you. If you're a man and you sleep around you deserve a congratulations for being a 'LAD' and getting as many girls as you can.

It's one of the most idiotic views that society holds.

[Tom4784]

Both to blame for being idiots but I'd place more blame at Marco's door for lying about his circumstances to get what he wanted.

[Jack Torrance]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

And Laura getting away with it scott free : the poor little innocent victim of big bad Marco

I do think he could be a fantastic housemate if he calmed down, but he needs to stay away from Laura.

Once again, it's not Mr Gloryhole competition. Marco is vile pervert. I do understand that you want him so bad, but he ain't nothing but trash. Rich spoiled brat.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack Torrance

Once again, it's not Mr Gloryhole competition. Marco is vile pervert. I do understand that you want him so bad, but he is nothing but trash.

How is he a pervert ? give your head a wobble

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

Yeah, it's all her fault! Little Marco has a 'hall pass' from his fiancée so that's fine. He's such a crazy and reckless legend! Not like any other HM we've ever had! Laura should be taking all the blame! She made him kiss her, she made him do foreplay with a belt, she made him suck her nipples and she made him have sex with her!

Jeez Vanessa, I like you but you're crush on Marco seems to warp your vision of what's going and skew your moral compass. They're both to blame, Laura's getting NEARLY ALL the flack for the situation if you notice.

As far as I see it it's consenting adults. So fine by me. I just don't like Laura trying to throw Marco under a bus to try and shift blame.