[Liam-]

A police officer assaulting a suspect or a member of the public is a completely different scenario to a stranger starting a fight with someone in public after racially abusing them and you know it, what a bizarre comparison

[thesheriff443]

Look you can dress it up any way you please to try and justify your opinion.

Young fit men should not be beating the sh1t out of old men for being called names no matter how nasty those names.

I’ve experienced extreme violence confrontations and will probably experience more, violence is not the answer and should only be used in protecting yourself and others from violence.

[Parmy]

Poor old bloke looked panicked and confused with all the racket going on around him, not one of us on this forum knows what was said or even the lead up to the start of the clip. We shouldn't be judging anyone really.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Poor old bloke looked panicked and confused with all the racket going on around him, not one of us on this forum knows what was said or even the lead up to the start of the clip. We shouldn't be judging anyone really.

It really doesn't matter what the lead up to it is, if you call a black person a monkey, you're racist

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It really doesn't matter what the lead up to it is, if you call a black person a monkey, you're racist

What if you are 2 black youths who are berating and attacking an elderly white man...what does that make you?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What if you are 2 black youths who are berating and attacking an elderly white man...what does that make you?

The both sides argument.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What if you are 2 black youths who are berating and attacking an elderly white man...what does that make you?

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The both sides argument.

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[Parmy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The both sides argument.

Isnt that the fairest way.

Considering none of us know very much about this clip.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What if you are 2 black youths who are berating and attacking an elderly white man...what does that make you?

They weren't berating or attacking him for being white though nor did they make any reference to him being white in the video, they were berating and attacking him for being racist. Even if there is more to the disagreement before the start of the video (e.g. the initial argument was about something else before it descended into the racist slurs) you can't really get away from the fact that he did start using racist slurs which isn't excusable for any reason.

Again though since I'm not sure if I've been clear about this on the thread ( ) - while I think it's fine for them to verbally berate him I don't believe that the physical retaliation is justified, and certainly not laudable.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They weren't berating or attacking him for being white though nor did they make any reference to him being white in the video, they were berating and attacking him for being racist. Even if there is more to the disagreement before the start of the video (e.g. the initial argument was about something else before it descended into the racist slurs) you can't really get away from the fact that he did start using racist slurs which isn't excusable for any reason.

Again though since I'm not sure if I've been clear about this on the thread ( ) - while I think it's fine for them to verbally berate him I don't believe that the physical retaliation is justified, and certainly not laudable.

You've been perfectly clear TS and I've been nodding with agreement reading your posts on this thread.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They weren't berating or attacking him for being white though nor did they make any reference to him being white in the video, they were berating and attacking him for being racist. Even if there is more to the disagreement before the start of the video (e.g. the initial argument was about something else before it descended into the racist slurs) you can't really get away from the fact that he did start using racist slurs which isn't excusable for any reason.

Again though since I'm not sure if I've been clear about this on the thread ( ) - while I think it's fine for them to verbally berate him I don't believe that the physical retaliation is justified, and certainly not laudable.

You say they wernt attacking him for being white, but would they have attacked an elderly black gentleman if he had said the same?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Poor old bloke looked panicked and confused with all the racket going on around him, not one of us on this forum knows what was said or even the lead up to the start of the clip. We shouldn't be judging anyone really.

I forgot that one. We dont know what was said before. I'lll ad that to the list of excuses. We've had - he had mental health issues - but yet to have - Maybe it was an error of judgement and he was mortified afterwards. Who gonna offer up that excuse?

[GiRTh]

We havent had - He was high or drunk - yet. Whos gonna offer up that excuse?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

We havent had - He was high or drunk - yet. Whos gonna offer up that excuse?

Has anyone been trying to excuse the racist's actions? Nope! There's a difference between "he shouldn't have been punched" and "his words were justified,"

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Has anyone been trying to excuse the racist's actions? Nope! There's a difference between "he shouldn't have been punched" and "his words were justified,"

Exhibit A

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And when we find out the old aged pensioner has altzheimers or another mental health disability which caused his outburst

Then what?

2nd bit of your post make no sense.

[thesheriff443]

Got to say I’m in ts, corner in this thread.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Got to say I’m in ts, corner in this thread.

How long has this been going on?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

the truth is that many of our elders grew up in much less diverse communities than we have today. For example, in the Great Plains area where I grew up, most people were of Scandinavian or Germanic extraction, so it was largely a “white bread” society. My feeling is that most elders aren’t racists; they simply aren’t used to interacting with people from different backgrounds. To make matters worse, dementia can cause an elder to lose their filter and become fearful, angry or agitated when confronted by a person or situation they are not completely comfortable with. This is the perfect storm for a derogatory quip and hurt feelings.

Now, elders are bound to interact with people who are Native American, Hispanic, and African American, and new immigrants from any number of countries, especially in a diversely staffed elder care setting. I was fortunate that both my parents greeted all their caregivers with open arms. However, I saw and heard many elders using racially charged language that was very disrespectful, to say the least. Again, it doesn’t necessarily mean these people were racist, although, of course, some are. Many have simply lost their short-term memory and whatever inhibitions they may have once had. So, when they see someone who is different from them, they blurt out names or stereotypes that they heard as youths, thus embarrassing everyone involved.

https://www.agingcare.com/articles/t...say-155103.htm

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the truth is that many of our elders grew up in much less diverse communities than we have today. For example, in the Great Plains area where I grew up, most people were of Scandinavian or Germanic extraction, so it was largely a “white bread” society. My feeling is that most elders aren’t racists; they simply aren’t used to interacting with people from different backgrounds. To make matters worse, dementia can cause an elder to lose their filter and become fearful, angry or agitated when confronted by a person or situation they are not completely comfortable with. This is the perfect storm for a derogatory quip and hurt feelings.

Now, elders are bound to interact with people who are Native American, Hispanic, and African American, and new immigrants from any number of countries, especially in a diversely staffed elder care setting. I was fortunate that both my parents greeted all their caregivers with open arms. However, I saw and heard many elders using racially charged language that was very disrespectful, to say the least. Again, it doesn’t necessarily mean these people were racist, although, of course, some are. Many have simply lost their short-term memory and whatever inhibitions they may have once had. So, when they see someone who is different from them, they blurt out names or stereotypes that they heard as youths, thus embarrassing everyone involved.

https://www.agingcare.com/articles/t...say-155103.htm

Why have you cherry picked a couple of paragraphs from a random article? Very odd post

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the truth is that many of our elders grew up in much less diverse communities than we have today. For example, in the Great Plains area where I grew up, most people were of Scandinavian or Germanic extraction, so it was largely a “white bread” society. My feeling is that most elders aren’t racists; they simply aren’t used to interacting with people from different backgrounds. To make matters worse, dementia can cause an elder to lose their filter and become fearful, angry or agitated when confronted by a person or situation they are not completely comfortable with. This is the perfect storm for a derogatory quip and hurt feelings.

Now, elders are bound to interact with people who are Native American, Hispanic, and African American, and new immigrants from any number of countries, especially in a diversely staffed elder care setting. I was fortunate that both my parents greeted all their caregivers with open arms. However, I saw and heard many elders using racially charged language that was very disrespectful, to say the least. Again, it doesn’t necessarily mean these people were racist, although, of course, some are. Many have simply lost their short-term memory and whatever inhibitions they may have once had. So, when they see someone who is different from them, they blurt out names or stereotypes that they heard as youths, thus embarrassing everyone involved.

https://www.agingcare.com/articles/t...say-155103.htm

What relevance does this have?

This isn't a situation where a man "doesn't know how to communicate with people from different backgrounds" but chooses to be intentionally racist and hateful towards people of a different skin colour.

Coming out with bullsh*t excuses because he happens to be an older man is just ridiculous.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the truth is that many of our elders grew up in much less diverse communities than we have today. For example, in the Great Plains area where I grew up, most people were of Scandinavian or Germanic extraction, so it was largely a “white bread” society. My feeling is that most elders aren’t racists; they simply aren’t used to interacting with people from different backgrounds. To make matters worse, dementia can cause an elder to lose their filter and become fearful, angry or agitated when confronted by a person or situation they are not completely comfortable with. This is the perfect storm for a derogatory quip and hurt feelings.

Now, elders are bound to interact with people who are Native American, Hispanic, and African American, and new immigrants from any number of countries, especially in a diversely staffed elder care setting. I was fortunate that both my parents greeted all their caregivers with open arms. However, I saw and heard many elders using racially charged language that was very disrespectful, to say the least. Again, it doesn’t necessarily mean these people were racist, although, of course, some are. Many have simply lost their short-term memory and whatever inhibitions they may have once had. So, when they see someone who is different from them, they blurt out names or stereotypes that they heard as youths, thus embarrassing everyone involved.

https://www.agingcare.com/articles/t...say-155103.htm

There's no need to make excuses for the old man, he shouldn't have said the things he did

But then, people are making excuses for violence toward a feeble person, which is worse than offensive language, so blehh whatever.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There's no need to make excuses for the old man, he shouldn't have said the things he did

But then, people are making excuses for violence toward a feeble person, which is worse than offensive language, so blehh whatever.

Its not an excuse but its a possibility. I have had a lot of experience of Alzheimers that most member have not. I just put it out there as things like this are never as they are portrayed by one fuzzy video.

[GiRTh]

So we're going with he's mentally ill. Out of curiosity, why go with that one? I'd have thought - he was drunk - would have been more appropriate. I've got my checklist here and I'm just ticking the excuses off as they come up. Still waiting for - Its was just a mistake and he regretted it straight away.

[GiRTh]

One more thing, dont invoke MLK. You pretty much embarrassed yourself with that one.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I decided to chop out all the Ben Shapiro-ness from your post and the fact that you keep speaking down to me.

being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian will rarely work out well.

Originally Posted by GiRTh

One more thing, dont invoke MLK. You pretty much embarrassed yourself with that one.

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Rolls you eyes all you want but its sometimes difficult to pick anything out of your posts. If you're comfortable with your style then thats fine but when you write six lines and five of them say nothing - like you have many times in this thread - ...

Yes I'm very embarrassed. I have better things to do than... this... so I will take my meandering posts elsewhere. It's going in circles and I have little to no interest in whatever this is.