[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Chase Farm Hospital in North London


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ruled-out.html

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's the crux of it....kids, particularly primary aged need picking up from school....quite often by grandparents if the parents are working. These kids may not be ill but carrying the virus which they give to nan and grandad who then end up in hospital

[DouglasS]

I think he is considering other factors such as all the NHS nurses and doctors who will have to have time off work to look after their primary school kids, that will burden the NHS also. Also putting kids behind even further is going to have a negative impact in futures years.

I think he will close the schools, but there are many factors to consider, sometimes it’s worth having trust in the government and their data rather than being cocksure you know best

[The Slim Reaper]

He's keeping schools open because of NHS workers with kids? He will close schools but he's considering other factors that we should support him on, but we can't know?

We shouldn't be cocksure and should support the government that has done so many u-turns it's basically going round in circles?

At least try to make sense if this is what you're going with.

[bots]

i always thought the spreading part of it was completely different to if the kids were at risk. What I could never reconcile was the way they keep banging on about how asymptomatic people can spread it easily, and yet school kids are just ignored from that equation, it's just not logical

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i always thought the spreading part of it was completely different to if the kids were at risk. What I could never reconcile was the way they keep banging on about how asymptomatic people can spread it easily, and yet school kids are just ignored from that equation, it's just not logical

They've purposefully been playing a very deliberate game to keep those issues apart from one another, it's why they always say schools are safe for kids, then refuse to even acknowledge that they're not safe for adults that interact with them.

[user104658]

Scottish schools closed until at least February, still open to vulnerable kids, although the rhetoric from my youngest's ASD provision has changed from "all welcome back on the 11th of Jan" to "please make other arrangements if you can unless this would cause your child distress".

I imagine the "please make other arrangements if you can" will apply to the children of keyworkers, too. So they're really highly recommending as few kids as possible be in school now.

[AnnieK]

It's not really being cocksure, its reality. My son was off 3 times last term.....until December the longest they were in was 2 weeks before having to go off.....the final time they had to isolate 6 kids had it and then the teacher was off longer as she tested positive during the isolation period. Kids spread it....we don't need to see data to know that. On one hand I admire the Government for trying to protect the mental health of children as a lot have and will continue to suffer but it can't be at the detriment to older people's health....as they are the people who will overwhelm the NHS which is what the Gov want so desperately to avoid

[Nicky91]

Germany extends Lockdown until 31st of January

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

It's not really being cocksure, its reality. My son was off 3 times last term.....until December the longest they were in was 2 weeks before having to go off.....the final time they had to isolate 6 kids had it and then the teacher was off longer as she tested positive during the isolation period. Kids spread it....we don't need to see data to know that. On one hand I admire the Government for trying to protect the mental health of children as a lot have and will continue to suffer but it can't be at the detriment to older people's health....as they are the people who will overwhelm the NHS which is what the Gov want so desperately to avoid

I agree to an extent so long as the government accepts that the knock-on effect of this on an entire generation's education and mental health is going to be severe and will require significant investment to remedy in the aftermath... But it's Tories so I just don't see that happening. Once Covid is under control it'll be "it's over now business as usual what's your problem" because the kids who will be struggling the most will be from the demographic they care about the least.

In terms of how it spreads, there have been zero cases at my eldest's school and one case at my youngest's (a teaching assistant, transmission not related to school). Children hypothetically do help the virus to spread but it seems to very much vary; the idea that schools are all Covid hotbeds and a major contributor to how fast its now spreading is simply false and largely based on a false correlation (kids went back to school in autumn, cases started to rise in autumn). Closing schools MIGHT help so its worth it as a precaution... but it's not the major factor that is going to meaningfully change anything.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree to an extent so long as the government accepts that the knock-on effect of this on an entire generation's education and mental health is going to be severe and will require significant investment to remedy in the aftermath... But it's Tories so I just don't see that happening. Once Covid is under control it'll be "it's over now business as usual what's your problem" because the kids who will be struggling the most will be from the demographic they care about the least.

In terms of how it spreads, there have been zero cases at my eldest's school and one case at my youngest's (a teaching assistant, transmission not related to school). Children hypothetically do help the virus to spread but it seems to very much vary; the idea that schools are all Covid hotbeds and a major contributor to how fast its now spreading is simply false and largely based on a false correlation (kids went back to school in autumn, cases started to rise in autumn). Closing schools MIGHT help so its worth it as a precaution... but it's not the major factor that is going to meaningfully change anything.

Where I am in Kent, before the winter lockdown, our infection rate was half the national average. During lockdown the infection rate rose exponentially. The schools were kept open, the number of infected youngsters went up exponentially. If thats not evidence of schools driving the infection rate up, i don't know what is.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Where I am in Kent, before the winter lockdown, our infection rate was half the national average. During lockdown the infection rate rose exponentially. The schools were kept open, the number of infected youngsters went up exponentially. If thats not evidence of schools driving the infection rate up, i don't know what is.

If the infection rate went up exponentially and the infection rate amoungst young people went up exponentially, that's simply evidence of proportional increase, and doesn't say anything about the source of that increase unless the increase in rate of infection in young people preceeded the increase in the rest of the population.

[arista]

Scottish Parliament Live
both News Ch.

[Lee.]

Lockdown from midnight tonight.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Lockdown from midnight tonight.

Yes Scotland
doing a faster move than Johnson in England

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: start of online education quite slow, also some problems logging in for some people (mostly due to some trying to log in at same time)

the apps which aren't working properly are the Parro-App which is being used by 6.000 schools to communicate with the parents

and also Zulu-Connect had a malfunction, this one being used for digital schoolwork for children (one also said too many wanted to use this app at the same time)

[Lee.]

Rooth the Mooth.. telly now off.

Oh well, best get my bog rolls and wine topped up again.

[Vanessa]

The schools are keeping cases up.
They need to close them or things will not improve.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If the infection rate went up exponentially and the infection rate amoungst young people went up exponentially, that's simply evidence of proportional increase, and doesn't say anything about the source of that increase unless the increase in rate of infection in young people preceeded the increase in the rest of the population.

Also doesn't account for the fact that young people are more likely to be asymptomatic carriers and spreaders than diagnosed, so rates of infection appear as though they will always be behind the true numbers.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes the Professor that works for OxfordAstraZennacca

Says they are doing blood tests

to find out how bad the South African Variant Covid is.



He was on GMBHD itv early.

South African version of the strain is showing very early signs of being resistant to the vaccines.



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[bots]

Scotland is already locked down and people were already told to stay at home with schools closed, so what actually is the difference from midnight?

[arista]

[Jeremy Hunt MP demands immediate national lockdown
amid warnings pressure on NHS is 'off the scale']


Look Hunt you are back bencher now
you failed by going against Brexit.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

South African version of the strain is showing very early signs of being resistant to the vaccines.

Yes not looking good

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by arista

[Jeremy Hunt MP demands immediate national lockdown
amid warnings pressure on NHS is 'off the scale']


Look Hunt you are back bencher now
you failed by going against Brexit.

But he didn't lie we do need a national lockdown

[arista]

Originally Posted by LukeB

But he didn't lie we do need a national lockdown

Yes but the point is
he has no power
by being a back bencher, now