[Alf]

Originally Posted by Bollo

From the original Op post i do fully support the trans community and believe people should have the freedom to be whatever gender or sexuality they are without prejudice. However I do believe there should be pyschological safeguards in place for any trans person wanting to undergo physical change by surgery or medication as these processes are irreversible. I know a lot of young people who have wanted to transition , only to discover later on that this was not their actual issue. I also have a family member who was clinical pyschologist who has had many patients wanting to detransition after starting transition, so there does need to be safeguarding in place.

Of course young people want to change gender. All their celebrity stars on the television are constantly telling them how great and brave transgender people are and how the LGBT community should be celebrated. What young impressionable kid wouldn't want to be part of that good stuff? And they have their idols blessings.

It's called grooming.

In the 1910s young impressionable kids were told is was great and brave to go and fight for your country in war. So they jumped on board, most of them to their deaths.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think you should rename this thread as Trangenders at War

Here's some proof to back your statement here up.

[arista]

This is Terrible,
Alf.

In USA it is legal to buy a gun in Walmart

This will not end well.

[arista]

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

But if we know that they are not that gender but are just saying they are because that's what they want. Then we're not misgendering them. We're referring to them by their real gender, not their fantasy one. They are the ones misgendering, by misgendering themselves.

I honestly think it depends on the setting.

In normal every day life I will call people by what they want to be called (or at least try to) but Sports is where I can meet you halfway a little bit as I can't ignore Biology in that particular area.

And the Toilets I honestly believe that the decision should be up to women to decide like I've said on here in the past, it's not really my place to decide one way or the other.

But anyway I personally don't support deliberately upsetting people just for the sake of it, especially when most of the community aren't criminals.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

Here's some proof to back your statement here up.

perfectly acceptable from another User hottie, no one will dare challenge that thinking, every demo you see there are placards calling for death to anyone who raises the obvious loopholes, they ae prepared to throw liquids at people, so far harmless liquids, that will change though, and they are masked up...why? you are so proud of being trans why cover your face

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

LGBTQ

Please don't include that slur in our acronym. It's LGBT.

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm saying that deliberately misgendering or deadnaming people just to be offensive is being an asshole.

It's honestly no different than telling someone you consider them ugly for no reason - It's technically the truth, but it's rude to say it. Nothing more.

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

general anti-Trans

General Antitrans!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Alf

Here's some proof to back your statement here up.

another nasty man in a wig upset by being told NO by a woman

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Bollo

From the original Op post i do fully support the trans community and believe people should have the freedom to be whatever gender or sexuality they are without prejudice. However I do believe there should be pyschological safeguards in place for any trans person wanting to undergo physical change by surgery or medication as these processes are irreversible. I know a lot of young people who have wanted to transition , only to discover later on that this was not their actual issue. I also have a family member who was clinical pyschologist who has had many patients wanting to detransition after starting transition, so there does need to be safeguarding in place.

People can’t just pop into a hospital, demand gender reassignment surgery and they get it asap, that’s just not a thing, people already have to see therapists and consult doctors before being given the go ahead for it, it’s not as easy and instant as the anti-trans movement have made it seem it is, it shows the level of ignorance and general lack of understanding people have about trans people and what they go through

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

People can’t just pop into a hospital, demand gender reassignment surgery and they get it asap, that’s just not a thing, people already have to see therapists and consult doctors before being given the go ahead for it, it’s not as easy and instant as the anti-trans movement have made it seem it is, it shows the level of ignorance and general lack of understanding people have trans people and what they go through

anti-trans movement does not exist


you just made it up as a straw man

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

[Liam-]

Banning certain aspects of education, no respect for women, wanting to control women’s bodies, happy for children to marry adults, happy for lgbt people to have no rights, happy to punish people for not following the words of their god.. the Christian extremists are very similar to the taliban, they just haven’t gone on to publicly executing people yet.. well, they haven’t don’t that for a while, who knows, they could go back to it any day now the way things are going

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

Here's some proof to back your statement here up.

nada Liam? you are not a big fan of guns surely you should be denoucing this trans woman?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Banning certain aspects of education, no respect for women, wanting to control women’s bodies, happy for children to marry adults, happy for lgbt people to have no rights, happy to punish people for not following the words of their god.. the Christian extremists are very similar to the taliban, they just haven’t gone on to publicly executing people yet.. well, they haven’t don’t that for a while, who knows, they could go back to it any day now the way things are going

There is alot of it about

[user104658]

To be fair Christianity has indeed done all of those things at various times throughout history and it would be a touch naive to assume that things can't go backwards. We should take any and all signs of religious zealotry seriously, especially when they ooze into politics.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

To be fair Christianity has indeed done all of those things at various times throughout history and it would be a touch naive to assume that things can't go backwards. We should take any and all signs of religious zealotry seriously, especially when they ooze into politics.

Can someone please tell me why Christianity is always brought up more than other religions re: 'extreme views' , when Islam & Judaism and other religions more or less have the same views if not stronger.

As for child marriage & paedophilia that is still happening in Muslim countries,but I guess we're not allowed to mention that as it's "Islam phobic" .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Can someone please tell me why Christianity is always brought up more than other religions re: 'extreme views' , when Islam & Judaism and other religions more or less have the same views if not stronger.

As for child marriage & paedophilia that is still happening in Muslim countries,but I guess we're not allowed to mention that as it's "Islam phobic" .

Frankly I don't think that's true, Islam is mentioned plenty in the public sphere and has been mentioned on here plenty (I would hazard, more than Christianity) over the years.

The reason Christiantiy is CURRENTLY mentioned a lot is that Christianity in the west has until recently been a very measured/moderate religion but there are recently quite clear signs of a resurgence of strong evangelical / fundamentalist Christian views and organisations.

We ignore them at our peril... fundementalist christianity is ****ing scary.

I'd also point out that at the end of the day, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all Abrahamic religions. Different flavours of the same crisps.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Can someone please tell me why Christianity is always brought up more than other religions re: 'extreme views' , when Islam & Judaism and other religions more or less have the same views if not stronger.

As for child marriage & paedophilia that is still happening in Muslim countries,but I guess we're not allowed to mention that as it's "Islam phobic" .

Fear. They have none towards Christianity. So that's easy for them to bring up.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Fear. They have none towards Christianity. So that's easy for them to bring up.

Again I would point out that, especially in the US (many states), there's a lot more to fear from Christian fanaticism than there is from Islamic extremists (by sheer numbers).

We don't (currently) see the same thing in the UK, that much is true.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Alf

Fear. They have none towards Christianity. So that's easy for them to bring up.

Plus there isn't a word towards prejudice towards Christianity.

If someone hates all religion then they should just be honest about all religion, that clip mentioning 'extreme Christianity ' are the same people who are too scared to mention the colour of a terrorist's skin in fear of being called 'islam phobic' .

I'm not saying there isn't crazy evangelical groups and weird cults ,but they should be consistent and less hypocritical. There's countries pushing people off buildings.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Again I would point out that, especially in the US (many states), there's a lot more to fear from Christian fanaticism than there is from Islamic extremists (by sheer numbers).

We don't (currently) see the same thing in the UK, that much is true.

I know what you're saying but I still get the impression the vocal people against Christianity still see it as an easy target. Nobody would dare mock the Qur'an. The only person who did was an autistic child here in the UK, and the mother had to wear a head scarf and profusely apologise on his behalf in fear of backlash.

[Oliver_W]

To be fair, no-one's life would be endangered for kicking a Bible, or for drawing Jesus.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I know what you're saying but I still get the impression the vocal people against Christianity still see it as an easy target. Nobody would dare mock the Qur'an. The only person who did was an autistic child here in the UK, and the mother had to wear a head scarf and profusely apologise on his behalf in fear of backlash.

I genuinely think you'd see similar scenes in bible-belt USA if someone defiled or burned a bible.

I'm not saying you're wrong about there being a discrepancy in the UK, but I think there's an idea that the US in this sense is socially similar to the UK when it really isn't. The coastal states and cities, yes. The heavy red southern states and bible belt no. They are VERY seriously Christian. We don't see anything like it in the UK other than a few very small communities that tend to keep themselves to themselves.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To be fair, no-one's life would be endangered for kicking a Bible, or for drawing Jesus.

Again again, if someone burned or ripped up a bible in the middle of a heavily Christian school in a heavily Christian state, I think it's highly likely that them and their family would be forced to relocate for their safety.

Y'all are underestimating the depth of Christian fervor in parts of the US.