[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This is exactly what they've been living through, already though. What is about to happen to them is a more concentrated version of their daily lives.

Here's the issue; elements of Hamas are undoubtedly motivated by extremism, and yet they're the only people providing charity and welfare to these people. painting them completely as a bunch of terrorists makes things neat and tidy to ignore the absolute and real terrorist actors, which is the Israeli government. Ukraine are freedom fighters, yet Palestinians are terrorist is pure western make believe.

A powerless people only has "terror" available as a come back. They have nothing else. The withdrawal of the basic things needed to sustain life by an occupier, is pure terrorism.

The fact it's an occupation is not really up for debate. I agree with some of what you say regarding the drawing of maps by Western powers ultimately coming back to haunt us, but we do have parallels from fairly recent history, such as the intentional starving of the Irish by the British government during the famine, and more specifically to scale, with the apartheid regime of south Africa.

I do get what you're saying but the actions taken and the methods used by the Palestinians who crossed the border can't be justified and I feel this flirts a little close to justification above and beyond explanation. I accept it as inevitable and I accept it as an accurate description of the explanation, but have to totally reject the torture and murder of civilians as justified, even when retaliatory.

[Crimson Dynamo]

diversity
multiculturalism

[Denver]

At least 3 Brits are among those dead with 7 more missing and presumed dead

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Denver

At least 3 Brits are among those dead with 7 more missing and presumed dead

Killing innocent civilians from numerous different countries is certainly one way to rally the international community strongly against you

[Crimson Dynamo]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Denver

At least 3 Brits are among those dead with 7 more missing and presumed dead

Yes and
9 Americans are sadly dead.

[Denver]

Hezbollah has said if The USA get involved then they will attack them, both Hezbollah and Hamas are known to have huge sleeper cells in the country.

Hopefully the UK stay way clear, its not our war and we can't afford to go into this

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Denver

Hezbollah has said if The USA get involved then they will attack them, both Hezbollah and Hamas are known to have huge sleeper cells in the country.

Hopefully the UK stay way clear, its not our war and we can't afford to go into this

How many people of unknown origin have we let into this country in the last couple of years? If I was a terrorist leader I'd make sure as many of my people were shipped in as possible.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

How many people of unknown origin have we let into this country in the last couple of years? If I was a terrorist leader I'd make sure as many of my people were shipped in as possible.

It has been said many times but shut down as racist to even mention it, I wouldnt be surprised if there are attacks in Europe soon

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It has been said many times but shut down as racist to even mention it, I wouldnt be surprised if there are attacks in Europe soon

It's a bit of a red herring IMO, the large terrorist organisations have resources/means of getting people in that are nothing to do with the formal immigration system.

Plus (not to beat a dusty old drum or anything) but they ****ed the NHS and health education through the floor so we have to import large numbers of staff from Africa/India & Pakistan/The Middle East for our own country to be even barely functional.

And you're a lot more likely to die of a stroke than in a terrorist attack.

[Iceman]

Hamburg Airport was put on lockdown for an hour there. Apparently an email threat from Iran. Looks to be back open now.

[Nicky91]

some Synagogues here in my nation Netherlands want extra security measures out of fears for potential terror attacks against them living here




PVV's Geert Wilders hates our decommissionary government whom do support Ukraine, Turkey, Armenia, yet we don't raise the israeli flag here out of sympathies, he called us hypocrites


yup times of election ladies, you see our extreme right idiot sucking up to ethnic minorities

[Livia]

Kosher restaurant in north London destroyed. Here we go again. And the news is glossing over marches in Europe to support Hamas. We already have armed guards and emergency lockdown systems in Jewish schools, the only group in the UK that needs this kind of protection. for children. My own synagogue has stab vests available for people who are worried and it's not because we're afraid of the far right.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Kosher restaurant in north London destroyed. Here we go again. And the news is glossing over marches in Europe to support Hamas. We already have armed guards and emergency lockdown systems in Jewish schools, the only group in the UK that needs this kind of protection. for children. My own synagogue has stab vests available for people who are worried and it's not because we're afraid of the far right.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

Kosher restaurant in north London destroyed. Here we go again. And the news is glossing over marches in Europe to support Hamas. We already have armed guards and emergency lockdown systems in Jewish schools, the only group in the UK that needs this kind of protection. for children. My own synagogue has stab vests available for people who are worried and it's not because we're afraid of the far right.

Appalling this is happening in the UK, thoughts with you and the Jewish community

[Livia]

Thanks, MTVN. So glad my family moved from London.

[Crimson Dynamo]

still the main thing is we are not welcoming in thousands of fighting age Muslim men into the UK every week...

[OnTheRight]

Hopefully Israel bomb Hamas out of existence.

[bots]

i've said it before, but i will say it again, because it needs repeating. As long as Israel has existed, the countries that surround Israel have wanted the complete destruction of Israel and it's people. For it's entire existence, Israel has had to fight to protect itself from utter destruction. Prior to that, Hitler wanted to exterminate all jews and killed millions of them.

Do people really think that Israel should sit back and accept that hate and aggression without trying to protect itself?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i've said it before, but i will say it again, because it needs repeating. As long as Israel has existed, the countries that surround Israel have wanted the complete destruction of Israel and it's people. For it's entire existence, Israel has had to fight to protect itself from utter destruction. Prior to that, Hitler wanted to exterminate all jews and killed millions of them.

Do people really think that Israel should sit back and accept that hate and aggression without trying to protect itself?

So much defence.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[The Slim Reaper]

[Liam-]

Let’s conveniently ignore all of the monstrosities Israel is committing against the Palestinian people on a near daily basis and pretend Israel is an innocent victim, the power and influence Israel has over the west, enough to brainwash whole governments to back up their genocide and general human rights violations, is terrifying

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Let’s conveniently ignore all of the monstrosities Israel is committing against the Palestinian people on a near daily basis and pretend Israel is an innocent victim, the power and influence Israel has over the west, enough to brainwash whole governments to back up their genocide and general human rights violations, is terrifying

I agree but then again, the people pointing this out so adamantly about Israel are often the ones who are/were happy enough to paint Ukraine as an innocent nation of angel babies.

That's not to say that Russia isn't the clear aggressor in Ukraine, just that the rewriting of Ukrainian politics has been ... well, at the very least interesting.

Also as above - Israel doesn't have "power and influence" over the west, Israel is a keystone in Western power over the Middle East. That's why they put it there. AGAIN though this is all irrelevant when considering the plights of Palestinian AND Israeli civilians... which is what should be the real humanitarian concern. Not which side is the "good guys". There literally are no good guys. Anywhere. There never have been.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Let’s conveniently ignore all of the monstrosities Israel is committing against the Palestinian people on a near daily basis and pretend Israel is an innocent victim, the power and influence Israel has over the west, enough to brainwash whole governments to back up their genocide and general human rights violations, is terrifying

You're supporting a regime that would see you dead in a heartbeat.