[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

what about the widows of the 100s of thousands who died out there, figures you wrongly disputed. You also preach about the violence out there in the middle east, why don't you preach the same against Israeli brutality?

What about them? You think their grief diminishes mine?

The fact that I am a Jew means I should be the spokesperson for Israel? We're not talking about Israel and I am not an Israeli.

Try to leave me alone. I'll do the same for you.

[Kyle]

I hate seeing atrocities committed against people by other people but An ever growing part of me is starting to think we should just leave them to it and it saddens me to even say that.


You Just can't trust anyone these days, everyone's out for themselves and politicians are the last people on the planet to believe when they start rabbiting on about regimes doing this and dictators committing that.


It's like everybody is like; in the words of Jim Morisson

"I just wanna get my kicks before the whole s h i t house goes up in flames."

[Beso]

jesus, you said our troops have murdered hundred and thousands of innocent people in irag and afgahnistan, can you post some sort of official documentation to confirm this please...or are you rambling exagarations again?

[DanaC]

Yeah, about that....I mean....sure, we had some around here at some point...can't seem to lay my hands on them right now.

[Niamh.]

Yes alright back ontopic please

[Vanessa]

I like Ron. He seems nice enough. I had no idea who he was before he entered the House.

[Josy]

Eurgh the quotes in here have all been broken so there's no way of knowing who's said what

Originally Posted by Josy

Eurgh the quotes in here have all been broken so there's no way of knowing who's said what

If you think the post is awesome - just assume I said it, if you don't, it was definitely someone else.

[Kizzy]

This has gotten a bit dark.....

[Niamh.]

Back on topic please

[brucie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Back on topic please

we are on topic Niamh, it's where the hatred of Ron's comments eminate from..that fact that the UK and other countries are regularly destroying Muslim countries almost daily..and commiting such war crimes they can't even be printed...

and those same british soldiers come home and expect to be treated as some kind of heroes?!?!?!?!

Look what they did to that iraqi hotel receptionist...an innocent family man trying to earn a living..dragged from his workplace, locked in a dungeon and then recieved 90 different injuries before dying the most horrific death..

he was put on the floor and kicked to death like an animal...google 'baha mousa' and you will see what state he died in..the photo makes me cry even now seeing him holding his child and wife and the next, covered in blood and dead.

the british soldiers responsible were never convicted for this...

see how brave these british soldiers are..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Baha_Mousa

[Niamh.]

Yes, I meant to stop the arguing Brucie

[sampvt]

I think Ron is a top bloke with old fashion views and wears his heart on his sleeve. I also think that tge op posted this just to stir things up. He made a mistake and paid for it and it was years ago. Move on folks it's 2013 and dragging this up isn't helping anyone or anything.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I think Ron is a top bloke with old fashion views and wears his heart on his sleeve. I also think that tge op posted this just to stir things up. He made a mistake and paid for it and it was years ago. Move on folks it's 2013 and dragging this up isn't helping anyone or anything.

I think he's nice and is slowly coming out of his shell. I hope he stays.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I think Ron is a top bloke with old fashion views and wears his heart on his sleeve. I also think that tge op posted this just to stir things up. He made a mistake and paid for it and it was years ago. Move on folks it's 2013 and dragging this up isn't helping anyone or anything.

I think the OP made a really interesting thread as we can see, look how long this thread has gotten. It's pretty silly to think that this topic wouldn't be discussed since it's the reason Ron got fired or had to retire early or whatever

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I think Ron is a top bloke with old fashion views and wears his heart on his sleeve. I also think that tge op posted this just to stir things up. He made a mistake and paid for it and it was years ago. Move on folks it's 2013 and dragging this up isn't helping anyone or anything.

It was a huge deal at the time, it was always going to come up at some point so the fact that it happened years ago really has no bearing, in my opinion. I think Ron was a legend in his day as a manager but the fact remains he did what he did and there will always be strong feelings about it He certainly wouldn't have been asked to do Celebrity Big Brother without that particular point of notoriety I can't imagine - nor would he have entertained it if his career hadn't been so irrevocably damaged.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I think Ron is a top bloke with old fashion views and wears his heart on his sleeve. I also think that tge op posted this just to stir things up. He made a mistake and paid for it and it was years ago. Move on folks it's 2013 and dragging this up isn't helping anyone or anything.

As always ,the voice of common sense

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I think Ron is a top bloke with old fashion views and wears his heart on his sleeve. I also think that tge op posted this just to stir things up. He made a mistake and paid for it and it was years ago. Move on folks it's 2013 and dragging this up isn't helping anyone or anything.

It was all dying down, until he dropped the clanger about the turban/bomb. Frankly it says so much about how poor the series has been so far that the main talking point has been Ron and his views on race.

[Beso]

YES THANKS.

However, I could still do with some legal documentation regarding those numbers you posted earlier.

Originally Posted by parmnion

YES THANKS.

However, I could still do with some legal documentation regarding those numbers you posted earlier.

I just need to understand what exactly you mean by "legal documentation". Because if I provide you with information from the least biased sources, and documents leaked via wikileaks, and then you turn round and say "well, how many of those are because of English soldiers?" or "well David Cameron didn't sign that page, so it's meaningless", then what's the point.

I'd also like to know what exactly you will do if I provide you with the information you want? You've been an arse all day, so I'm 99% sure you won't turn around and say "do you know what Jesus (currently with a dot, but formerly of .H.Christ fame).? I've learned something today, so thank you.

If I provide what you've asked for, you'll just jump on something else. Be it my name, calling me a ****** again, like earlier, or just some other thing.

Answer those points, and if your answers are satisfactory to me, then I will proceed. If not, I won't.

Just like the Turbanator - He'll be back.

[Beso]

No rush, i'm finishing work now and wont be back on until nine tomorrow..so before then will do..have a nice night.

[the truth]

why is my reply being deleted>? livia wrongly suggested the figures fo r100s of thousands of deaths was wrong and it isn't wrong at all. Its true. I also mentioned she was preaching about the brutal behaviour in the middle east but refused to acknowledge the brutal behaviour of Israel? which is a major factor in the wars and fighting out there... which means we have double standards , which I was merely pointing out

I think it was because Roy brought out his best jokes on muslims and Jews, which had to be deleted for obvious reasons.

I think you got caught in the cross-hairs of the rows that resulted from it.

My desire is formed a lot more basely that that.