[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

This is where people get confused.
Being gay is being attracted too the same sex
A gay person can choose too sleep with the opposite sex, but they cannot choose too be straight

What about those who CHOSE to get married to the opposite sex, have children by them ?

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Jemal

But mate, your still choosing..
Lie or no lie you are choosing.

Let me use you as an example, dont take offence to this but just a harmless example.
You could be straight right now because you choose not to be gay.
True or false.
Either way you choose your sexuality because if you want to be gay you can bloody be gay? If you choose not to be gay, you choose to go for girls and now especially if you like both sex's you CHOOSE to be bloody bisexual.

What people are getting mixed up is the feelings. You dont choose your feelings of course but you choose your sexuality, lie or not, that is the truth.

If it was as simple as that do you think gay people would open themselves up to ignorance and abuse if they could just choose to be straight?

[subliminal]

Supposing someone turned to a fellow housemate and expressed all of those thoughts - comparing gay people to being 'handicapped' - 'a choice' - and something that should be 'fixed' etc - but about black people instead?

What do you think the outcome of that conversation would have been?

So please explain why it is any more acceptable to say those things about gay people?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

If it was as simple as that do you think gay people would open themselves up to ignorance and abuse if they could just choose to be straight?

Those days are long gone ,you are talking of years ago ,when (as Peter Kay so rightly says) Your Mother would never have said the word lesbian ,they said it under their breath ,those day are long gone ,as someone said ^^ its not frowned upon now, its the "In thing" due to shows like BB ,who over the years the vast majority of gay housemates have been the BEST housemates

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Jemal

But mate, your still choosing..
Lie or no lie you are choosing.

Let me use you as an example, dont take offence to this but just a harmless example.
You could be straight right now because you choose not to be gay.
True or false?
Either way you choose your sexuality because if you want to be gay you can bloody be gay? If you choose not to be gay, you choose to go for girls and now especially if you like both sex's you CHOOSE to be bloody bisexual.

What people are getting mixed up is the feelings. You dont choose your feelings of course but you choose your sexuality, lie or not, that is the truth.

That's all semantics and labels, you can call yourself whatever you want. I can call myself straight but wish me good luck in getting it up if I'm gonna try to have sex with a girl. You say that you don't choose your feelings but you choose your sexuality, but sexuality is defined as sexual feelings?

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Jemal

But mate, your still choosing..
Lie or no lie you are choosing.

Let me use you as an example, dont take offence to this but just a harmless example.
You could be straight right now because you choose not to be gay.
True or false?
Either way you choose your sexuality because if you want to be gay you can bloody be gay? If you choose not to be gay, you choose to go for girls and now especially if you like both sex's you CHOOSE to be bloody bisexual.

What people are getting mixed up is the feelings. You dont choose your feelings of course but you choose your sexuality, lie or not, that is the truth.

you don't choose your sexuality but it's your choice on whether you pursue on it or not

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Salman!

you don't choose your sexuality but it's your choice on whether you pursue on it or not

so speaks 1 person for all 6 billion humans lol

[Stevep]

Evander got warned for having an opinion on his beliefs but if the shoe was on the other foot and an individual claimed homosexuality was 'normal' should that individual in turn be warned? If not why not when that individual could possibly have 'offended' people of which are religious?

The world has gone PC mad, Evander was neither malicious or nasty, it was quite plainly an opinion that he had and shared. Whether he is right or wrong does not come into the discussion.

[Jemal]

gonna have to agree to disagree tbh.
got college tommorow or today should i say.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think chuff needs educating on what it means to be arrogant

[SoBig]

Some people are different. I know a kid who says he was gay all his life and was born that way. He liked guys from the start. I know a girl who was straight throughout her life then in college experimented with girls and is now back dating a guy and swears she isn't gay and was just trying it out.

So I do think its a choice for some people and for others it isn't.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Some people are different. I know a kid who says he was gay all his life and was born that way. He liked guys from the start. I know a girl who was straight throughout her life then in college experimented with girls and is now back dating a guy and swears she isn't gay and was just trying out.

So I do think its a choice for some people and for others it isn't.

Experimenting is exactly what you said, experimenting.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Experimenting is exactly what you said, experimenting.

She was still choosing to be gay.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by SoBig

She was still choosing to be gay.

No, she was choosing to experiment with women.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by SoBig

She was still choosing to be gay.

No she was choosing to have gay sex, not choosing her feelings. Is that really ****ing hard to distinguish

[Northern Monkey]

Punishing someone for expressing their opinion is WRONG,Wether that opinion is right or wrong.It is fine to disagree with it and state why you disagree with it but silencing peoples opinions in what's supposed to be a democratic society is the worst thing you can do to surppress a debate on any issue,The society we live in which allows freedom of speech is the same society which allows people to be openly gay/straight/religious etc.Society seems to struggle with these issues currently.I believe in the future we will all learn to respect each others lifestyles and opinions even if we disagree with them and able to discuss them freely and openly

[erinp5]

Rylan Clark
the impartial presenter...not



Everyone is entitled to their opinion... And as a presenter I legally remain unbiased. HOWEVER what evander just said, was disgusting.



The thing is , I genuinely don't think evander thinks what he's saying is offensive. Which comes down to his upbringing and religion....



And as I've said, religion , upbringing etc shapes us all for life. Just so sad to think the fact I'm in love with a man means I'm 'broken'




Everyone's entitled to their opinion,as much as fantastic charities like @stonewalluk campaign, some people think us 'gays' need to be fixed



And now I've said my piece, on with the rest of the series. Each to their own x



But as I say each to their own, we all have our opinions. And are all entitled to them. Off to bed now with my BOYfriend. Night night x

[Mystic Mock]

Imo freedom of speech should not be stamped out, especially on a show like Big Brother that had Conor threaten to rape a woman and not do anything whatsoever.

Btw I do not agree with Evander's opinion.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Imo freedom of speech should not be stamped out, especially on a show like Big Brother that had Conor threaten to rape a woman and not do anything whatsoever.

Btw I do not agree with Evander's opinion.

lying again. he was kicked out.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

lying again. he was kicked out.

If you mean conor, he wasnt kicked out. He chose to walk with 50k of the prize money. He got no punishment for what he did at all

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If you mean conor, he wasnt kicked out. He chose to walk with 50k of the prize money. He got no punishment for what he did at all

That was definitely one of BB's worst mistakes in my opinion!
Considering the warnings some people have had for far less he should have been ejected. If it was just one incident maybe a warning would have sufficed but he pretty much waged a campaign against her.
He was one of the most disgusting BB housemates ever in my opinion.

[erinp5]

Originally Posted by the truth

lying again. he was kicked out.

Conor left with 50k

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by the truth

lying again. he was kicked out.

With £50,000

[Northern Monkey]

JUST REMEMBER.This society that allows us to the freedom of our speech/opinions is the very same society which allows people to be openly gay in public/gay marriage/hold religious beliefs.We are'nt in an oppressive regime(yet anyway).If it were'nt for freedom of speech this possibly would'nt be the case,Once you start telling people what they are allowed to say/think,It is a slippery slope and could turn out bad for everybody!Evander has as much right to his opinion as a gay person has to his/her opinion.We all need to learn to respect that.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

JUST REMEMBER.This society that allows us to the freedom of our speech/opinions is the very same society which allows people to be openly gay in public/gay marriage/hold religious beliefs.We are'nt in an oppressive regime(yet anyway).If it were'nt for freedom of speech this possibly would'nt be the case,Once you start telling people what they are allowed to say/think,It is a slippery slope and could turn out bad for everybody!Evander has as much right to his opinion as a gay person has to his/her opinion.We all need to learn to respect that.

Agreed, if you don't like Evander's opinion just don't vote for him to win or stay.