[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by clairefromsomewhereinnort

Beacuse many of the people backing her are too

And many of those supporting him are PC drones.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And many of those supporting him are PC drones.

Somebody made an ignorant comment about Ann's fans being "bigots" .
Ann has mixture of fans and some of her fans could be gay for all they know. So it's such a silly assumption .

That's like assuming all ShaneJ fans are gay men. When it's obvious he has a female fanbase as well .

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And many of those supporting him are PC drones.

Nice. Remember that the next time you cry about being called racist.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Nice. Remember that the next time you cry about being called racist.

I’m pre-empting it as some people are too predictable.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I’m pre-empting it as some people are too predictable.

So nobody can mention racism but you can call people PC drones, okay.

[Jase.]

A 16 paged thread debating whether or not ANN WIDDECOMBE is homophobic? I can't

[bots]

Apologies, but i just see people trying to pick fault with zero justification. I'm abroad right now and witnessed outright hate and racism with zero justification tonight in an area of the world that is supposed to be the most tolerant. Please concentrate on real issues.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Apologies, but i just see people trying to pick fault with zero justification. I'm abroad right now and witnessed outright hate and racism with zero justification tonight in an area of the world that is supposed to be the most tolerant. Please concentrate on real issues.

Oh dear. There is obviously only one type of hate and anything less than that single viewpoint is not and cannot be hate.

Thank you for educating us.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Apologies, but i just see people trying to pick fault with zero justification. I'm abroad right now and witnessed outright hate and racism with zero justification tonight in an area of the world that is supposed to be the most tolerant. Please concentrate on real issues.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh dear. There is obviously only one type of hate and anything less than that single viewpoint is not and cannot be hate.

Thank you for educating us.

..it is awful and sad to witness such extremes as you have Bots......but I do agree with Marsh in that the things being discussed right now are real issues and are of huge importance because if left/untouched and not discussed etc as being trivial in the grand scheme...?...then that is also when extremes of hate can rear that ugly head to become things like you’re witnessing right now/start to grow/start to fester etc...so these are ‘real issues’ that must have importance also to try to prevent extremes ...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it is awful and sad to witness such extremes as you have Bots......but I do agree with Marsh in that the things being discussed right now are real issues and are of huge importance because if left/untouched and not discussed etc as being trivial in the grand scheme...?...then that is also when extremes of hate can rear that ugly head to become things like you’re witnessing right now/start to grow/start to fester etc...so these are ‘real issues’ that must have importance also to try to prevent extremes ...

But we HAVE discussed it and some of us still don't agree she is homophobic,so where do we go from here ? I am sure when Ann comes out of the house she will be asked these things, she is being judged unfairly imo, just because someone has different views does not mean we should dislike them or close our minds as to why those views are different,people say age etc has no meaning in this ,but the way someone is brought up does, and when you are brought up in a strict religious way or brought up where parents just give you lots of leeway will make you a different person, she has not been horrible to anyone in that house,she has not antagonised anyone,she is not perfect she is a prude,but rather that than someone who purposely sets out to make someone uncomfortable,she is the only one who is getting judged a lot on her past and not in the house,just because she holds some old fashioned views,very unfair imo.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But we HAVE discussed it and some of us still don't agree she is homophobic,so where do we go from here ? I am sure when Ann comes out of the house she will be asked these things, she is being judged unfairly imo, just because someone has different views does not mean we should dislike them or close our minds as to why those views are different,people say age etc has no meaning in this ,but the way someone is brought up does, and when you are brought up in a strict religious way or brought up where parents just give you lots of leeway will make you a different person, she has not been horrible to anyone in that house,she has not antagonised anyone,she is not perfect she is a prude,but rather that than someone who purposely sets out to make someone uncomfortable,she is the only one who is getting judged a lot on her past and not in the house,just because she holds some old fashioned views,very unfair imo.

...I guess we all decide as individuals, Kaz..where we go from there...(Hey btw.....I haven’t caught up with you for a while..)...I mean in terms of what we feel are ‘real issues’ which is going back to what another poster described and how that set my thoughts going...because as you say, she hasn’t been horrid or anything to anyone in the house...but is ‘horrible’ the place where we have to get to, to discuss etc..so we have to feel comfortable for that to happen and then perhaps in that happening, have to witness awful unacceptances as Bots has...or is it more the aim to discuss smaller intolerances\less extreme things like we are here ..?..I mean like for instance if it were my child or your child who ‘old fashioned views’ were aimed at....?...would we still say, oh no never mind those old fashioned views let’s not discuss them and let’s just accept them unquestionably because of a person’s background...would we wait for a ‘horrible’ action to happen...or would we make use of those things to create and open discussion...which I think is what most of us would do...it might feel like not ‘real issues’ for some but for others those issues are very real and have been very real through their lives...

[Chero]

I don't know if it's occurred to you, but Ann may also not have liked it if a man and a woman acted like that in front of her as well. Some people would prefer people to keep their sexual activity to the bedroom. Plus, I mean, has Ann herself even had much of that herself? I mean, she's like an old maid. She's how single women were supposed to be back when she was young, you know, like way, way back in the '50s and early '60s, before they had invented birth control. I think that Ann has been the real star of the show; someone totally out of her element, and doing her best to wrap her head around it.

And no, I don't agree with the majority of her views. But she's incredibly intelligent and interesting to watch.

[Marsh.]

Oh Kazanne doesn't agree and is done with the discussion. So silence everyone. She's told us the debate is over.

[Beso]

So what if she is.