[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Again the misconception that ISIS factions in Syria were not there to harm Syria. Its exactly the same situation... Except that the damage done by ISIS in Syria actually far outweighs any damage done by ISIS cells in the UK.

Unless you agree with Oliver that "ISIS isn't a threat to Islamic countries".

No not at all, but she is where she is now and its not an easy task to get her back as she will have to travel to Turkey or Iraq before she can be helped, so I wouldn't be wasting a huge amount of time on her

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No not at all, but she is where she is now and its not an easy task to get her back as she will have to travel to Turkey or Iraq before she can be helped, so I wouldn't be wasting a huge amount of time on her

Absolutely, I mean I agree if she makes it to Britain then she has to be taken back, considering she's a British citizen then she has to be Britain's responsibility however I certainly wouldn't be risking lives or spending money on rescuing her, she doesn't deserve to be rescued

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Absolutely, I mean I agree if she makes it to Britain then she has to be taken back, considering she's a British citizen then she has to be Britain's responsibility however I certainly wouldn't be risking lives or spending money on rescuing her, she doesn't deserve to be rescued

Have you seen her interview, she seems particularly dead behind the eyes

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Have you seen her interview, she seems particularly dead behind the eyes

No I didn't watch it. I mean on some level I have sympathy ish, because she was clearly groomed and brain washed when she was an impressionable young teen and from the sounds of it her actual family may be involved or atleast their ideas lean that way too, however she's dangerous now and unrepentant so you can't justify risking any rescue team for her or put innocent peoples lives in Britain at risk by sending her back into society if she did get back.

[Beso]

Just heard she will beheading home soon.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Just heard she will beheading home soon.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Have you seen her interview, she seems particularly dead behind the eyes

she is also lying through her teeth .... look at the way her eyes shift when she tells a lie

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No not at all, but she is where she is now and its not an easy task to get her back as she will have to travel to Turkey or Iraq before she can be helped, so I wouldn't be wasting a huge amount of time on her

Maybe that's fair; but there's a pretty big gulf between "we're not sending anyone to get her" and "we will keep her blocked from entering the country at all costs" which is what a lot of people (including people in the government, apparently) are saying.

[Becs]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe that's fair; but there's a pretty big gulf between "we're not sending anyone to get her" and "we will keep her blocked from entering the country at all costs" which is what a lot of people (including people in the government, apparently) are saying.

I bet you live far from Bethnal Green. As long as she isn’t on your doorstep, others can put up with her and live with the increased risk she and others like her pose.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

she is also lying through her teeth .... look at the way her eyes shift when she tells a lie

She doesn't want to bring up her child in a refugee camp but she condemned so many Syrian children to just that by supporting the ISIS regime

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Becs

I bet you live far from Bethnal Green. As long as she isn’t on your doorstep, others can put up with her and live with the increased risk she and others like her pose.

I live near Bethnal green...that Trevor; that wee trouble making ****e...daves lad....him and his posse...trouble. .

[Beso]

Has she actually done anything wrong yet?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Becs

I bet you live far from Bethnal Green. As long as she isn’t on your doorstep, others can put up with her and live with the increased risk she and others like her pose.

I don't think anyone's suggested any such thing.

She should be in prison. But, all the same, she is Britain's responsibility.

It seems to be the people against Britain taking responsibility who have the "not on my doorstep" attitude.

[UserSince2005]

8edit*nasty bitch.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Has she actually done anything wrong yet?

She left this country to join a proscribed terrorist organisation. You know what Islamic State is responsible for. Surely you understand that none of them are innocent?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't think anyone's suggested any such thing.

She should be in prison. But, all the same, she is Britain's responsibility.

It seems to be the people against Britain taking responsibility who have the "not on my doorstep" attitude.

People keep saying she's Britain's responsibility when we have every right under law to strip her of her citizenship. And actually no, I don't want her on my doorstep, or anyone else's doorstep. The safety and security of the British public is the only thing anyone should be worried about.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

People keep saying she's Britain's responsibility when we have every right under law to strip her of her citizenship. And actually no, I don't want her on my doorstep, or anyone else's doorstep. The safety and security of the British public is the only thing anyone should be worried about.

But surely there's a difference (sometimes a big difference) between legal responsibility and moral responsibility? I don't think I've seen anyone insist that she's Britain's legal responsibility. When it comes to the moral side of things, I can't help but think about the people whose doorstep she is currently on - potentially the people who are MOST vulnerable to someone like her - and that's why I think she should be here being watched.

I mean in theory, does it actually make Britain safer to leave her out there, amongst the very people who are in a prime position to be indoctrinated to her beliefs? She's dangerous where she is. She's an indoctrinated extremist who speaks English as a first language and was raised in Britain so knows British culture. And she's surrounded by people who have recently lost everything to war. She's in a prime position to indoctrinate countless others, and teach them how to successfully pose as a genuine refugee to stand a better chance of getting into Europe / the UK... and while she's sat in a Middle Eastern camp, NO ONE is watching her.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But surely there's a difference (sometimes a big difference) between legal responsibility and moral responsibility? I don't think I've seen anyone insist that she's Britain's legal responsibility. When it comes to the moral side of things, I can't help but think about the people whose doorstep she is currently on - potentially the people who are MOST vulnerable to someone like her - and that's why I think she should be here being watched.

I mean in theory, does it actually make Britain safer to leave her out there, amongst the very people who are in a prime position to be indoctrinated to her beliefs? She's dangerous where she is. She's an indoctrinated extremist who speaks English as a first language and was raised in Britain so knows British culture. And she's surrounded by people who have recently lost everything to war. She's in a prime position to indoctrinate countless others, and teach them how to successfully pose as a genuine refugee to stand a better chance of getting into Europe / the UK... and while she's sat in a Middle Eastern camp, NO ONE is watching her.

The law is the law.

Morally, some people want her to come back. Legally, we don't have to take her back. I would like to see justice done, you obviously want mercy instead. But I don't understand the concern over this woman while thousands, tens of thousands of women were murdered, raped, gang-raped, tortured, had their children taken from them and killed... I'm talking about both Muslims and non-Muslims.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

The law is the law.

Morally, some people want her to come back. Legally, we don't have to take her back. I would like to see justice done, you obviously want mercy instead. But I don't understand the concern over this woman while thousands, tens of thousands of women were murdered, raped, gang-raped, tortured, had their children taken from them and killed... I'm talking about both Muslims and non-Muslims.

I don't "want mercy", I'm not making any comment on what we do with her once she's back under our supervision, I just think that's where she should be. I keep saying that my concern is for the people around her and what she might end up doing where she is, not for her personal safety and comfort, but that's just being ignored for whatever reason.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't "want mercy", I'm not making any comment on what we do with her once she's back under our supervision, I just think that's where she should be. I keep saying that my concern is for the people around her and what she might end up doing where she is, not for her personal safety and comfort, but that's just being ignored for whatever reason.

The West stood idly by while thousands and thousands of innocents were slaughtered. I suggest we do the same now. I don't care what she does. I don't care about her personal safety and comfort, but I understand that's not your priority either. I'm not ignoring what you're saying, I understand what you want for her. But I disagree. She left this country voluntarily. She showed absolutely no remorse until it was realised this was giving her an even worse press. Then she was obviously brought up to speed on what options may possibly be open to her if we let her back. Now she's spouting slightly more palatable soundbites.

Let her be tried and sentenced where she and her terrorist brethren carried out their atrocities.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

She left this country to join a proscribed terrorist organisation. You know what Islamic State is responsible for. Surely you understand that none of them are innocent?

I've already said earlier on this thread I would not let her back here.

Nothing I've seen of her or even heard from her since, has altered my view.

I totally agree with your comments on this Livia.
I don't think she really regrets anything at all.
I think allowing her back would send a really bad and weak message.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I've already said earlier on this thread I would not let her back here.

Nothing I've seen of her or even heard from her since, has altered my view.

I totally agree with your comments on this Livia.
I don't think she really regrets anything at all.
I think allowing her back would send a really bad and weak message.

I was a bit shocked with her cold bravado at first when she said she regretted nothing. Now she says she does have some regrets. But her face looked the same when she made both statements, so who knows which one is true?!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was a bit shocked with her cold bravado at first when she said she regretted nothing. Now she says she does have some regrets. But her face looked the same when she made both statements, so who knows which one is true?!

Did you see her interview with the Scottish interviewer, where he asked her about her thoughts on the Manchester attacks...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Did you see her interview with the Scottish interviewer, where he asked her about her thoughts on the Manchester attacks...

No, I didn't... I'm off for a Google.

Edit: Jesus... she thinks it was justified. Although I imagine if she hasn't retracted that already, she will be in the process of retracting it.

[smudgie]

Maybe the way forward is for her to be tried in the country she was living in when supporting IS?
Seems fair