[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Here in the UK we can call it what we like. It's an illegal invasion. They have crossed a border and fired on civilians. They are not liberators.

I agree but on the other hand, there are several US/UK led invasions that involved all of that. Civilian deaths are deemed to be "actually the other side" or "unintentional collateral" but then, that's what Putin is telling Russia .

The uncomfortable reality of course is that all of these wars at the end of the day are about resources. I say that without moral judgement I suppose. We've been in a resources crisis for over half a century and what can any country really do but try to shelter their own people from the worst of it (which is coming within the next half century).

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what many people dont seem to realise/acknowledge is that to level ukraine, russia doesnt need an army. A few well aimed missiles will do the job. All the fighting at the moment is unfortunately a side show as russia hasnt flexed 5% of its capability

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what many people dont seem to realise/acknowledge is that to level ukraine, russia doesnt need an army. A few well aimed missiles will do the job. All the fighting at the moment is unfortunately a side show as russia hasnt flexed 5% of its capability

Perhaps but it's certainly not "not an issue" for them that they've severely depleted their standing army (both in terms of personnel and equipment) far beyond what they expected. They could level Ukraine, yes, but it's going to take them a minute to be in any sort of position to threaten a similar invasion elsewhere.

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people have such a vague notion of what russia is about. The majority of russians will still call it a war in private. People act like state media is their only news source when it obviously is not.

We are being fed a complete diet of 100% propaganda in our own media and people don't say a word about that here either

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people have such a vague notion of what russia is about. The majority of russians will still call it a war in private. People act like state media is their only news source when it obviously is not.

We are being fed a complete diet of 100% propaganda in our own media and people don't say a word about that here either

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[arista]

[arista]

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hope this proves to be false

[Alf]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

hope this proves to be false

"May have"

So she's tweeting out something that may have happened but she doesn't know. For someone in her position why not wait for confirmation before tweeting that out?

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Truss' comments come after the Ukrainian armed forces' Azov regiment said soldiers were left feeling dizzy and had trouble breathing after a "poisonous substance of unknown origin" was dropped on them from a Russian drone.

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russia have already scaled back their ambitions from recovering the soviet era territory across europe to capturing a region of ukraine that in the majority is sympathetic to russia, so, in terms of conventional war they are ****ed for at least a couple of years. It really depends what their future aims are, flattening a country is not going to expand their reach, influence or wealth

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

russia have already scaled back their ambitions from recovering the soviet era territory across europe to capturing a region of ukraine that in the majority is sympathetic to russia, so, in terms of conventional war they are ****ed for at least a couple of years. It really depends what their future aims are, flattening a country is not going to expand their reach, influence or wealth

I still think obviously NATO expansion was a large part of it, I also suspect that undermining the system of oil & gas trading being linked to the US dollar was a large part of it as well... and I think they may well have achieved both of those aims. Now the question is to what degree they want to "save face" as they frankly have tipped their hand a bit in terms of what power they have. It's been long-suspected of course but it's now fairly clear that it's true; their standing army consists mostly of outdated tech and poorly trained/unmotivated soldiers. Which is inevitable with a mandatory military service requirement, quite frankly. People will fight for a strong ideology, people will fight if they've chosen to do so as a career... people with no ideology AND who didn't choose to arm up as their career? They're going to do the bare minimum to not look like a deserter whilst keeping themselves as safe as possible.

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Meanwhile Lukashenko said allegations of atrocities in northern Ukraine were "a psychological operation carried out by the English"

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Meanwhile Lukashenko said allegations of atrocities in northern Ukraine were "a psychological operation carried out by the English"

another one who needs a bullet in his skull, besides Putin

[user104658]

The English? Ah well hopefully they'll stick to nuking south of the border then. Although realistically they're going to target the damn Trident bases on the Clyde. Great big ****ing bullseye on us there .

[UserSince2005]

Phones calls have been intercepted of Russian wives giving their soldier husbands permission to rape in Ukraine. One saying "use protection and don’t tell me".

depraved Russians continuing to show how evil they are.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Phones calls have been intercepted of Russian wives giving their soldier husbands permission to rape in Ukraine. One saying "use protection and don’t tell me".

depraved Russians continuing to show how evil they are.

I truly hope that story is fabricated ..

It’s so wrong on so many levels


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i don't believe that nonsense for a minute. Russians take relationships just as serious as anyone else

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German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier said on Tuesday he was ready to travel to Kyiv with colleagues from Poland and the Baltic states, but was told his presence in Ukraine would be undesirable.

The plan, Steinmeier said during a trip to Warsaw, was to “undertake a trip to Kyiv to send a strong signal of common European solidarity with Ukraine".

"I was ready to do this, but apparently - and I have to take note of this - this was not wanted in Kyiv."

The German newspaper Bild cited Ukrainian sources as saying that Steinmeier was refused admission to Kyiv "due to close ties with Russia in recent years".

According to Bild, the office of the German president has received a clear signal from Kyiv that he is not yet welcome there, but a future meeting may still take place.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Ukraine has severely damaged Russias Moskva warship with strikes this morning, Russia trying to claim it was just a fire which caused ammunition to explode

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ukraine said it was one of their neptune missiles, but i highly suspect it was a uk missile as we said we were going to send the anti ship systems, and a week or so later ukraine take out the lead ship in the russian fleet

[bots]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ukraine has severely damaged Russias Moskva warship with strikes this morning, Russia trying to claim it was just a fire which caused ammunition to explode

it has now sunk

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it has now sunk

haha the rusrats look sillier by the day

[UserSince2005]

Ukraine be ****ing those rusrats up. Love it