[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Agreed, if you don't like Evander's opinion just don't vote for him to win or stay.

Exactly It is our choice!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

JUST REMEMBER.This society that allows us to the freedom of our speech/opinions is the very same society which allows people to be openly gay in public/gay marriage/hold religious beliefs.We are'nt in an oppressive regime(yet anyway).If it were'nt for freedom of speech this possibly would'nt be the case,Once you start telling people what they are allowed to say/think,It is a slippery slope and could turn out bad for everybody!Evander has as much right to his opinion as a gay person has to his/her opinion.We all need to learn to respect that.

superbly put, brilliant in fact

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

JUST REMEMBER.This society that allows us to the freedom of our speech/opinions is the very same society which allows people to be openly gay in public/gay marriage/hold religious beliefs.We are'nt in an oppressive regime(yet anyway).If it were'nt for freedom of speech this possibly would'nt be the case,Once you start telling people what they are allowed to say/think,It is a slippery slope and could turn out bad for everybody!Evander has as much right to his opinion as a gay person has to his/her opinion.We all need to learn to respect that.

[Jack_]

I'm astounded by some of the ignorance in this thread. I left for what, an hour? And I've returned to read some truly bizarre things.

Let's get one thing straight [lol pun] - you do not chose your sexuality. How difficult can this concept be to understand? If you are a man and you are sexually attracted to men, see a man and think he's attractive, wanna stick your dick in him...you are gay. Whether you go on to marry a woman and have kids with a woman or not, you are gay. You have not chosen to be straight, you have chosen (or rather been coerced into it as a result of being brought up in a homophobic environment that has left you scared and/or in denial) to suppress your true sexuality. That's it. That is not a choice to be straight, because you are gay.

Now, once again back onto the Evander subject - yes, he is perfectly entitled to his (wrong, might I add) opinion, that is after all a right given to you in a society which has freedom of speech. But he's on a UK television show broadcast on a terrestrial network which has a couple of million viewers each night, and funnily enough Channel 5 have a brand to protect. Views like that are offensive to some people, and as such they have to cover their backs. If Evander wishes to express such opinions in the presence of his God loving friends, then that's his prerogative. Similarly if he were to have such a discussion in a pub with someone he'd just met, then he's entitled to do so. But he's on a TV show and in case people hadn't realised, he will have had made clear to him before, by both the producers and his agent(s) - that expressing such potentially controversial or left-field opinions could offend viewers, and are topics to avoid discussing. Luisa even tried to stop him in his tracks, but he didn't listen to her. He was not given a formal warning, so those up in arms about that need to seriously calm down. But he was reminded that expressing such views could offend some viewers, which is true and makes such a reprimanding justifiable.

As I've said earlier, I'm glad this discussion was broadcast because these kind of opinions being highlighted in society will only eventually seek to eradicate them as they are challenged and ironed out as we progress as a nation. These debates have to happen, but I'm afraid the right to freedom of speech doesn't mean that Channel 5 are just going to let this one be brushed under the carpet.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm astounded by some of the ignorance in this thread. I left for what, an hour? And I've returned to read some truly bizarre things.

Let's get one thing straight [lol pun] - you do not chose your sexuality. How difficult can this concept be to understand? If you are a man and you are sexually attracted to men, see a man and think he's attractive, wanna stick your dick in him...you are gay. Whether you go on to marry a woman and have kids with a woman or not, you are gay. You have not chosen to be straight, you have chosen (or rather been coerced into it as a result of being brought up in a homophobic environment that has left you scared and/or in denial) to suppress your true sexuality. That's it. That is not a choice to be straight, because you are gay.

Now, once again back onto the Evander subject - yes, he is perfectly entitled to his (wrong, might I add) opinion, that is after all a right given to you in a society which has freedom of speech. But he's on a UK television show broadcast on a terrestrial network which has a couple of million viewers each night, and funnily enough Channel 5 have a brand to protect. Views like that are offensive to some people, and as such they have to cover their backs. If Evander wishes to express such opinions in the presence of his God loving friends, then that's his prerogative. Similarly if he were to have such a discussion in a pub with someone he'd just met, then he's entitled to do so. But he's on a TV show and in case people hadn't realised, he will have had made clear to him before, by both the producers and his agent(s) - that expressing such potentially controversial or left-field opinions could offend viewers, and are topics to avoid discussing. Luisa even tried to stop him in his tracks, but he didn't listen to her. He was not given a formal warning, so those up in arms about that need to seriously calm down. But he was reminded that expressing such views could offend some viewers, which is true and makes such a reprimanding justifiable.

As I've said earlier, I'm glad this discussion was broadcast because these kind of opinions being highlighted in society will only eventually seek to eradicate them as they are challenged and ironed out as we progress as a nation. These debates have to happen, but I'm afraid the right to freedom of speech doesn't mean that Channel 5 are just going to let this one be brushed under the carpet.

That actually makes a man bisexual.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm astounded by some of the ignorance in this thread. I left for what, an hour? And I've returned to read some truly bizarre things.

Let's get one thing straight [lol pun] - you do not chose your sexuality. How difficult can this concept be to understand? If you are a man and you are sexually attracted to men, see a man and think he's attractive, wanna stick your dick in him...you are gay. Whether you go on to marry a woman and have kids with a woman or not, you are gay. You have not chosen to be straight, you have chosen (or rather been coerced into it as a result of being brought up in a homophobic environment that has left you scared and/or in denial) to suppress your true sexuality. That's it. That is not a choice to be straight, because you are gay.

Now, once again back onto the Evander subject - yes, he is perfectly entitled to his (wrong, might I add) opinion, that is after all a right given to you in a society which has freedom of speech. But he's on a UK television show broadcast on a terrestrial network which has a couple of million viewers each night, and funnily enough Channel 5 have a brand to protect. Views like that are offensive to some people, and as such they have to cover their backs. If Evander wishes to express such opinions in the presence of his God loving friends, then that's his prerogative. Similarly if he were to have such a discussion in a pub with someone he'd just met, then he's entitled to do so. But he's on a TV show and in case people hadn't realised, he will have had made clear to him before, by both the producers and his agent(s) - that expressing such potentially controversial or left-field opinions could offend viewers, and are topics to avoid discussing. Luisa even tried to stop him in his tracks, but he didn't listen to her. He was not given a formal warning, so those up in arms about that need to seriously calm down. But he was reminded that expressing such views could offend some viewers, which is true and makes such a reprimanding justifiable.

As I've said earlier, I'm glad this discussion was broadcast because these kind of opinions being highlighted in society will only eventually seek to eradicate them as they are challenged and ironed out as we progress as a nation. These debates have to happen, but I'm afraid the right to freedom of speech doesn't mean that Channel 5 are just going to let this one be brushed under the carpet.

so youre speaking for all 6 billion people on earth about what sexuality they are whether they choose it or not? what utter nonsense. speak for yourself and then try and listen to others who all have different experiences views education feelings individuality. youre PC drivel is making things worse. we dont need conversation banned we need ti encouraged

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Havent seen it yet but im hoping he doesn't get a warning.

This is what the show needs, real views that get people talking.

Hes Christian and that's how he feels so...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Havent seen it yet but im hoping he doesn't get a warning.

This is what the show needs, real views that get people talking.

Hes Christian and that's how he feels so...

it was a warning.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the truth

it was a warning.

NO IT WASN'T A WARNING DO YOU PEOPLE NOT WATCH THE SHOW OR READ TRANSCRIPTS BACK

It was a reminder, when they give a warning every single time they recite pretty much these exact words 'and as such, Big Brother is left with no choice but to issue you with a formal warning. Anymore actions like these may lead to your removal from the Big Brother house, do you understand?'

They said no such thing to Evander. Just reminded him of the rules that he was given before he entered, a summary of what he said in the conversation with Luisa and then a reminder that the expression of such views will not be tolerated as they are potentially offensive to the viewing public. No mention of any 'formal warning' whatsoever.

And for proof, here is the actual transcript:

“Before you entered the Big Brother house, the rules regarding unacceptable language and behaviour were explained to you. Last night, in a conversation with Luisa, you expressed the view that being gay was not normal and that it could be fixed,” explained Big Brother.

“While Big Brother understands these are the views you hold, they aren’t the views that are held by a large section of society and expressing these views will be extremely offensive to many people. Do you understand why?”

“Yeah I understand why, I forgot about the thing,” Evander answered. “I was just telling her my opinion, but it’s not like I was gonna mention it to anybody else, that was just our conversation.”

“Big Brother does not tolerate the use of offensive language and must therefore warn you to consider very carefully the effect expressing such views may have and the harm and offence you may cause by repeating these views inside the house,” the all-seeing eye continued. “Do you understand, Evander?”

“Okay then,” said Evander. “Yes I do.”

And please, before you inevitably point out the word 'warn', that is not an official formal warning that they give out.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Hes Christian and that's how he feels so...

Christianity and ignorance often seem to go hand in hand.

The warning thing was obviously C5 covering their asses in case of any negative feedback. They probably love the fact that he said it because they know that it's highly likely to bring more attention to the show. No press is bad press kinda' thing!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Christianity and ignorance often seem to go hand in hand.

The warning thing was obviously C5 covering their asses in case of any negative feedback. They probably love the fact that he said it because they know that it's highly likely to bring more attention to the show. No press is bad press kinda' thing!

Now that could be seen as religious intolerance and if you was on Big Brother you would get into trouble for that, do you think that is fair? I wouldn't as you are only expressing your opinion.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Christianity and ignorance often seem to go hand in hand.

The warning thing was obviously C5 covering their asses in case of any negative feedback. They probably love the fact that he said it because they know that it's highly likely to bring more attention to the show. No press is bad press kinda' thing!

I think you'll find most organised religions are intolerant to what they don't deem to be "normal",not just Christianity!!! Evander's viewpoint would get alot of support at the local Mosque too??

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

I think you'll find most organised religions are intolerant to what they don't deem to be "normal",not just Christianity!!! Evander's viewpoint would get alot of support at the local Mosque too??

generalizing about billions of Christians is just as bad as generalzing about all gay people

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by the truth

generalizing about billions of Christians is just as bad as generalzing about all gay people

I agree!! I'm replying to a previous quote that "Christianity and ignorance" go hand in hand,or words to that effect?!?

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

I think you'll find most organised religions are intolerant to what they don't deem to be "normal",not just Christianity!!! Evander's viewpoint would get a lot of support at the local Mosque too??

Yeah, i probably should have said 'religion' instead of narrowing it down to just the Christians!
I think Buddhism is the exception but many, myself included, wouldn't class Buddhism as a religion as much as a set of beliefs to live your life by.

Religions as a whole are responsible for so much that's wrong in the World today. I would imagine Evander's opinions probably stem from a religious background which is a very sad thing.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Yeah, i probably should have said 'religion' instead of narrowing it down to just the Christians!
I think Buddhism is the exception but many, myself included, wouldn't class Buddhism as a religion as much as a set of beliefs to live your life by.

Religions as a whole are responsible for so much that's wrong in the World today. I would imagine Evander's opinions probably stem from a religious background which is a very sad thing.

100% agree. The fundamentalist religious upbringings that some people experience often leave no room for personal opinion,no matter how widely they travel!

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

That actually makes a man bisexual.

no it doesn't. People in here amazingly can't grasp the fact that feelings are not the same thing as actions

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Salman!

no it doesn't. People in here amazingly can't grasp the fact that feelings are not the same thing as actions

Guys are not like girls, we have to get sexually turned on to the person to make us the sexuality that we are, so if a guy is attracted to guys and girls and has had relationships with both of them then they are bisexual, that you can't argue about because it's a fact.

Btw with the girls part I meant that I tend to find that girls have it slightly easier to experiment with the same gender.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Guys are not like girls, we have to get sexually turned on to the person to make us the sexuality that we are, so if a guy is attracted to guys and girls and has had relationships with both of them then they are bisexual, that you can't argue about because it's a fact.

A gay person can have straight sex and still be gay.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

A gay person can have straight sex and still be gay.

and a straight person can have gay sex and still be straight. so what? everyones different, but according to you no one chooses to do anything and anyone who suggests we have sexual choices is a homophobe and should be banned from an opinion? insane

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by the truth

and a straight person can have gay sex and still be straight. so what? everyones different, but according to you no one chooses to do anything and anyone who suggests we have sexual choices is a homophobe and should be banned from an opinion? insane

I said no one chooses their sexuality which is a fact & I never called anyone a homophobe I said it's ignorant to think otherwise, bye now.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

That actually makes a man bisexual.

No it doesn't? Homosexuals that marry a member of the opposite sex and/or have kids with them do so because they are suppressing their sexuality either because they're scared of the repercussions that admitting their true feelings would hold, such as being outcasted or disowned by their family and friends, or they are in denial for the very same reason. Gay people that grow up in environments were homosexuality is still seen as a sin and as something that either doesn't exist or is dirty or shouldn't happen etc etc often deny to themselves what they know to be true or simply just lie so that they don't have to face the potential consequences. That's why gay men and women go onto have relationships and marriages and children with members of the opposite sex, not because they are bisexual, because they are suppressing their sexuality.

If they were bisexual then they would be sexually attracted to both men and women, meaning any marriage would be a legitimate one that is based upon genuine love and sexual attraction - not something that's been faked to divert attention away from the fact that they actually are only attracted to members of the same sex. There is a big difference here.

Originally Posted by the truth

so youre speaking for all 6 billion people on earth about what sexuality they are whether they choose it or not? what utter nonsense. speak for yourself and then try and listen to others who all have different experiences views education feelings individuality. youre PC drivel is making things worse. we dont need conversation banned we need ti encouraged

What the ******? Where did I say that I want conversation banned? The last ****ing paragraph of my post you just quoted said the complete opposite, as did another post I made to you in this thread. I've actually made it clear that the conversation has been a beneficial one, why are you making things up that I haven't even said?

Originally Posted by Salman!

no it doesn't. People in here amazingly can't grasp the fact that feelings are not the same thing as actions

I'm losing the will to live reading this thread, honestly.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No it doesn't? Homosexuals that marry a member of the opposite sex and/or have kids with them do so because they are suppressing their sexuality either because they're scared of the repercussions that admitting their true feelings would hold, such as being outcasted or disowned by their family and friends, or they are in denial for the very same reason. Gay people that grow up in environments were homosexuality is still seen as a sin and as something that either doesn't exist or is dirty or shouldn't happen etc etc often deny to themselves what they know to be true or simply just lie so that they don't have to face the potential consequences. That's why gay men and women go onto have relationships and marriages and children with members of the opposite sex, not because they are bisexual, because they are suppressing their sexuality.

If they were bisexual then they would be sexually attracted to both men and women, meaning any marriage would be a legitimate one that is based upon genuine love and sexual attraction - not something that's been faked to divert attention away from the fact that they actually are only attracted to members of the same sex. There is a big difference here.



What the ******? Where did I say that I want conversation banned? The last ****ing paragraph of my post you just quoted said the complete opposite, as did another post I made to you in this thread. I've actually made it clear that the conversation has been a beneficial one, why are you making things up that I haven't even said?



I'm losing the will to live reading this thread, honestly.

Jack don't top yourself son. A lot of people are getting on at you because you talk like a middle aged psychiatrist, but in truth your only just back from a paper round and some people have a hard time taking advice from a young and inexperienced lad. Don't despair, you will be understood one day but you need to shorten your posts, I am growing a beard reading your retorts.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No it doesn't? Homosexuals that marry a member of the opposite sex and/or have kids with them do so because they are suppressing their sexuality either because they're scared of the repercussions that admitting their true feelings would hold, such as being outcasted or disowned by their family and friends, or they are in denial for the very same reason. Gay people that grow up in environments were homosexuality is still seen as a sin and as something that either doesn't exist or is dirty or shouldn't happen etc etc often deny to themselves what they know to be true or simply just lie so that they don't have to face the potential consequences. That's why gay men and women go onto have relationships and marriages and children with members of the opposite sex, not because they are bisexual, because they are suppressing their sexuality.

If they were bisexual then they would be sexually attracted to both men and women, meaning any marriage would be a legitimate one that is based upon genuine love and sexual attraction - not something that's been faked to divert attention away from the fact that they actually are only attracted to members of the same sex. There is a big difference here.



What the ******? Where did I say that I want conversation banned? The last ****ing paragraph of my post you just quoted said the complete opposite, as did another post I made to you in this thread. I've actually made it clear that the conversation has been a beneficial one, why are you making things up that I haven't even said?



I'm losing the will to live reading this thread, honestly.

Tbf does that even happen much in the UK anymore? People in this country are a lot more tolerant of gay people nowadays than they was say 20 to 30 years ago.

And anyway I'm surprised at you Jack as you normally agree with freedom of speech and stuff that get the show publicity to be let off otherwise it's CBBC, and as I've said in a previous post he hasn't attacked a gay person physically so I don't get the warning from Big Brother when people like Conor got away with threatening to rape a woman on national TV, and Charlotte pissing and ****ting on the bed which can cause health & safety risks.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Salman!

no it doesn't. People in here amazingly can't grasp the fact that feelings are not the same thing as actions

its you who cant grasp the fact feelings actions sexuality desires are different for every single person on earth ....so to try and say all hetro or all gay people dont choose this or that is utter drivel.......everyone is different