[Kizzy]

They said on newsnight last week there was 10 days to something, I can't remember what?.... is it up now?

[MTVN]

This is all none of your business Alex.

I suggest this whole thing is dropped and the topic is returned to now.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by MTVN

This is all none of your business Alex.

I suggest this whole thing is dropped and the topic is returned to now.

Agree........

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

This is all none of your business Alex.

I suggest this whole thing is dropped and the topic is returned to now.

ummm, my post was deleted, how is that not my business?

[lostalex]

Im letting it go, fine.

[lostalex]

so Putin is an asshole and he's not the only one...

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by lostalex

so Putin is an asshole and he's not the only one...

I'm sure he speaks fondly of you...........

[arista]

Top World Leader Putin
is Live on all media

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

Top World Leader Putin
is Live on all media

he's as ubiquitous as the little arrow on our mouse cursor. King of the World.

[Sticks]

I do sympathise with Lostalex

I hate to invoke Godwin's law, but from my observation of the anti-American feeling from some, that had some of those posters and this forum was around in the 1940's, there would be overwhelming support of Japan for whipping America's backside at Pearl Harbour. Some even claiming the Japanese did not do it but it was captured Japanese planes flown by the CIA to blame the nice inoffensive Japanese.

Also later as they made in roads into Europe to try and liberate it, maybe some would be supporting that nice and misunderstood chap called Adolph, because he was against the evil empire of America and their obvious expansion programme into Europe.



Putin is a dictator who wants to roll back things to before 1989 and the fall of the Berlin Wall.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I do sympathise with Lostalex

I hate to invoke Godwin's law, but from my observation of the anti-American feeling from some, that had some of those posters and this forum was around in the 1940's, there would be overwhelming support of Japan for whipping America's backside at Pearl Harbour. Some even claiming the Japanese did not do it but it was captured Japanese planes flown by the CIA to blame the nice inoffensive Japanese.

Also later as they made in roads into Europe to try and liberate it, maybe some would be supporting that nice and misunderstood chap called Adolph, because he was against the evil empire of America and their obvious expansion programme into Europe.



Putin is a dictator who wants to roll back things to before 1989 and the fall of the Berlin Wall.

thank you.

Some people act like Russia is the victim here when Russia has a long brutal history with it's neighbors

Some people seem to think that the break up of the USSR means we can forget the not so distant history they have. Are we meant to ignore sovereign nations in eastern Europe just because Russia used to OWN them? sorry, but since when does having a long occupational past of owning foreign territory mean they can just do whatever the F they want?

And many of them even claim that it;s the US that is being aggressive, remind me again, how many US troops have been occupying Ukraine? 0. how many russians troops are occupying Ukraine? over 20,000. wtf

put some thought into it people, seriously.

[arista]

Soldier Killed As Gunmen Storm Ukraine Base

[One Ukrainian soldier has reportedly died after being shot in the neck when a group of gunmen attacked the compound.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1227970/so...m-ukraine-base

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...isis-live.html

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

Soldier Killed As Gunmen Storm Ukraine Base

[One Ukrainian soldier has reportedly died after being shot in the neck when a group of gunmen attacked the compound.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1227970/so...m-ukraine-base

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...isis-live.html

it would be on CNN if it were true, and it's not on CNN. CNN is still talking about that plane that crashed 5 years ago or whenever.

[Z]

Putin is a democratically elected statesman who turned Russia from a floundering, stagnant and pathetic state clinging onto its former great power status into becoming a great power once again. Calling him a dictator is laughable. People are afraid of him because he's intelligent and a good strategist.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

it would be on CNN if it were true, and it's not on CNN. CNN is still talking about that plane that crashed 5 years ago or whenever.

It will be on CNN later
there are other news Ch.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Z

Putin is a democratically elected statesman who turned Russia from a floundering, stagnant and pathetic state clinging onto its former great power status into becoming a great power once again. Calling him a dictator is laughable. People are afraid of him because he's intelligent and a good strategist.

democratically elected? lol, he's a former KGB, who has been holding onto power for decades, ignoring term limits, do you honestly believe that Medvedev was ever in power? no it was clearly Putin's manipulation to have a puppet in power just long enuf for him to cheat the term limits, are you serious?

You honestly think Putin a legitimate democratic leader? If you do than we can't have a conversation, because it's ridiculous. if you can't even admit the most blatant manipulations and corruption by Putin than there is no point having a conversation,. next you'll tell me that the ocean is red and the sky is green.

if only i watched more Russia Today, then i'd know the "truth" and we could have conversation lol

[MTVN]

Problem is, as is evident from some posts in this thread, many still hold a Cold War perception of Russia as this great Red Menace desperate to swallow up the whole of Eastern Europe.The West needs to accept that the Cold War is over, it's crazy that NATO is ever increasing its membership and its power when it was supposedly set up as a cold war measure against the USSR; a conflict and a state which hasn't existed for over twenty years. NATO should have no longer served any purpose after the end of the cold war, instead Russia has had to watch as it gets ever closer to its borders and wooing all of Russia's neighbours.

Ukraine was considered a country too far, being the neighbour that probably means the most to Russia. The West has been trying to encroach ever more on Russia's sphere of influence over the last few years and this is the result.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Problem is, as is evident from some posts in this thread, many still hold a Cold War perception of Russia as this great Red Menace desperate to swallow up the whole of Eastern Europe.The West needs to accept that the Cold War is over, it's crazy that NATO is ever increasing its membership and its power when it was supposedly set up as a cold war measure against the USSR; a conflict and a state which hasn't existed for over twenty years. NATO should have no longer served any purpose after the end of the cold war, instead Russia has had to watch as it gets ever closer to its borders and wooing all of Russia's neighbours.

Ukraine was considered a country too far, being the neighbour that probably means the most to Russia. The West has been trying to encroach ever more on Russia's sphere of influence over the last few years and this is the result.

yea, funny how many of us still have this "cold war" perception of Russia as being a red menace swallowing up eastern Europe, while they are taking over territory in Eastern Europe! lol.

funny how some people might have that perception of Russia... first Georgia, now Ukraine... where do those people get such ideas that Russia is taking over territory in eastern Europe...

where could we possibly be getting that idea from??

[Z]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yea, funny how many of us still have this "cold war" perception of Russia as being a red menace swallowing up eastern Europe, while they are taking over territory in Eastern Europe! lol.

funny how some people might have that perception of Russia... first Georgia, now Ukraine... where do those people get such ideas that Russia is taking over territory in eastern Europe...

where could we possibly be getting that idea from??

Russia strolled into Georgia to defend its minorities in Georgian territory and then promptly left within the week. Educate yourself before you start claiming Russia took over any territory. The Crimea is still part of Ukraine at the time of writing. Russia has not swallowed up any foreign territory, we do not live in imperialist times anymore. I honestly think Putin is a legitimate democratic leader. I've been extensively studying him for the last five years and will shortly have a degree proving my knowledge of the area. My opinions are well informed and I don't get them from Russia Today.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Z

Russia strolled into Georgia to defend its minorities in Georgian territory and then promptly left within the week. Educate yourself before you start claiming Russia took over any territory. The Crimea is still part of Ukraine at the time of writing. Russia has not swallowed up any foreign territory, we do not live in imperialist times anymore. I honestly think Putin is a legitimate democratic leader. I've been extensively studying him for the last five years and will shortly have a degree proving my knowledge of the area. My opinions are well informed and I don't get them from Russia Today.

it's minorities? no, georgians are georgians, no matter where they came from, and ukrainians are ukranian no matter where they came from, that's what Teritorial sovereignty MEANS.

you can't just roll out the tanks because there are some people in a foreign country that speak your language.

That's like saying France has the right to invade Canada because there are tons of french speaking people there, or Mexico can annex Southern California because lots of people speak spanish.

That's a ridiculous argument, and it's illegal under international law.

[Sticks]

Continuing with the invoking of Godwin's Law, a certain person in the 1930's was elected to head the party of National Socialism. and then elected to be chancellor of his homeland.

Dictators can manipulate and subvert the democratic process when they have to, relying on the apathy of the masses to do so, time and time again.

[Sticks]

Also this person was a tee-total vegetarian

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Also this person was a tee-total vegetarian

actually that's a myth, Hitler wasn't vegetarian/ he attended multiple state dinners and was observed eating many different types of meat on multiple occasions.

he might have been a veggie in his private life, but in public he definitely ate meat.

[Sticks]

I sit corrected...

[Sticks]

BTW I am tee-total