[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

our over reaction and taking his words a bit out of context too (this was a temporary suggestion until their government understands the situation) has made us look 1000 times more idiotic than trump..and he European open borders policy looks frankly insane

Open borders *is* ill-advised but there's a middle ground here, somewhere between "Let's just have everyone wander the globe"* and "BAN ALL MUSLIMS RARGH LOL!".

I don't think there is an out of context here.

There's no justification for arbitrarily banning everyone of one single religious group from entering a country / subjecting them to stricter checks than everyone else. For one, how do you even "prove" that someone is a muslim? Surely anyone with bad intentions would just say they're non-religious, or any other world religion? So then the only way to judge the criteria becomes to racially profile people with certain skin colours or from certain countries as "potential Muslims". That is NOT a path we want to go down. Also it's an ineffective one since plenty of ISIS jihadists have been white Muslims. How do you stop those from entering the US? They could just... you know... pretend not to be Muslim. . It's hardly an evil masterplan.

Basically it's a plan that's completely full of holes. If the US really wants to go down this route, then it needs to be a policy of closing the borders to everyone, or more strictly assessing and monitoring every person who enters. Suicide bombers don't wear badges saying "I'm a Muslim!" ffs.


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* Just to add, I actually think in an ideal world everyone WOULD be free to wander and explore the entire globe. "Countries" and "Borders" are ridiculous human concepts with no actual meaning... they are an illusion / fabrication that everyone just goes along with. However, I accept that the Plague of Humans has reached proportions where free access to the world is no longer possible, and won't be again until a wonderful cleansing virus of some description wipes the population down from 7.5 billion to a few dozens of millions which would be a more reasonable population level for us silly old apes. What a day. What a lovely day.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Open borders *is* ill-advised but there's a middle ground here, somewhere between "Let's just have everyone wander the globe"* and "BAN ALL MUSLIMS RARGH LOL!".

I don't think there is an out of context here.

There's no justification for arbitrarily banning everyone of one single religious group from entering a country / subjecting them to stricter checks than everyone else. For one, how do you even "prove" that someone is a muslim? Surely anyone with bad intentions would just say they're non-religious, or any other world religion? So then the only way to judge the criteria becomes to racially profile people with certain skin colours or from certain countries as "potential Muslims". That is NOT a path we want to go down. Also it's an ineffective one since plenty of ISIS jihadists have been white Muslims. How do you stop those from entering the US? They could just... you know... pretend not to be Muslim. . It's hardly an evil masterplan.

Basically it's a plan that's completely full of holes. If the US really wants to go down this route, then it needs to be a policy of closing the borders to everyone, or more strictly assessing and monitoring every person who enters. Suicide bombers don't wear badges saying "I'm a Muslim!" ffs.


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* Just to add, I actually think in an ideal world everyone WOULD be free to wander and explore the entire globe. "Countries" and "Borders" are ridiculous human concepts with no actual meaning... they are an illusion / fabrication that everyone just goes along with. However, I accept that the Plague of Humans has reached proportions where free access to the world is no longer possible, and won't be again until a wonderful cleansing virus of some description wipes the population down from 7.5 billion to a few dozens of millions which would be a more reasonable population level for us silly old apes. What a day. What a lovely day.

..just to add to this because yeah, there are many opinions on border control in many countries...but this isn't just where his racism lays, he's expressed it many times before this so this isn't an isolated thing to consider..his opinions on this...what would have been interesting is if IS hasn't existed or hadn't existed in how active they've been in their terrorist attacks over the last while and countries on high alert..because what he's doing is using people's deepest and highlighted fears of terrorist attacks atm, he's exploring the fears of the nation, poking into them because he knows that how scared people are, that's pretty deplorable really, a lowest of a low...it's not just the Muslims who are his 'victims' it's all of the USA citizens who have real and justified fears over terrorism....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..just to add to this because yeah, there are many opinions on border control in many countries...but this isn't just where his racism lays, he's expressed it many times before this so this isn't an isolated thing to consider..his opinions on this...what would have been interesting is if IS hasn't existed or hadn't existed in how active they've been in their terrorist attacks over the last while and countries on high alert..because what he's doing is using people's deepest and highlighted fears of terrorist attacks atm, he's exploring the fears of the nation, poking into them because he knows that how scared people are, that's pretty deplorable really, a lowest of a low...it's not just the Muslims who are his 'victims' it's all of the USA citizens who have real and justified fears over terrorism....

That's very true; he was banging on about Mexicans and others from south of the US border long before he turned his gaze to Muslims... who he knows make a better club to bash people with because there is a risk to their sense of security and safety, as opposed to his economic reasons for not wanting other migrants. Basically, it seems a lot like Mr Chrump just has an overall agenda to close the borders of the US, just because that's how he wants it to be regardless of what else is going on, and ISIS / terrorism is a good platform for him to exploit to gather support.

There are, of course, political groups in every country doing the same thing... talking a lot about Terrorism as a reason for tightening borders and becoming more insular... but you don't have to look back very far to realise that they've been saying the same things with different justifications all along.

[DemolitionRed]

Its reactionary politics and unfortunately, reactionary politics have always stirred up fear amongst the masses. The 'Tea Party' are well known for perceiving any sort of social change as a siege upon the American people and that's why people like him also strongly support the right to carry arms.

Scare campaigns have always been used in political campaigns and all Trump needs on his campaign is enough people ready to believe him.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

That's very true; he was banging on about Mexicans and others from south of the US border long before he turned his gaze to Muslims... who he knows make a better club to bash people with because there is a risk to their sense of security and safety, as opposed to his economic reasons for not wanting other migrants. Basically, it seems a lot like Mr Chrump just has an overall agenda to close the borders of the US, just because that's how he wants it to be regardless of what else is going on, and ISIS / terrorism is a good platform for him to exploit to gather support.

There are, of course, political groups in every country doing the same thing... talking a lot about Terrorism as a reason for tightening borders and becoming more insular... but you don't have to look back very far to realise that they've been saying the same things with different justifications all along.

This is true. He is also targeting goods being made overseas in places like China. It's all linked to the same basic philosophy. Its the arrogant part of American society that I detest

[DemolitionRed]

When even Nigel Farage is saying he's gone too far, its time to knock it on the head.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6765431.html

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

That's very true; he was banging on about Mexicans and others from south of the US border long before he turned his gaze to Muslims... who he knows make a better club to bash people with because there is a risk to their sense of security and safety, as opposed to his economic reasons for not wanting other migrants. Basically, it seems a lot like Mr Chrump just has an overall agenda to close the borders of the US, just because that's how he wants it to be regardless of what else is going on, and ISIS / terrorism is a good platform for him to exploit to gather support.

There are, of course, political groups in every country doing the same thing... talking a lot about Terrorism as a reason for tightening borders and becoming more insular... but you don't have to look back very far to realise that they've been saying the same things with different justifications all along.

..it seem like a strange and bazaar thing to say but IS have been like a 'gift' to him in his campaign, in that he's used the fears of people to push for borders to be closed ..and yeah I know that there's nothing new in his tactics in politics but he's not being 'politician' or subtle about it at all, he's always been very openly racist and still is...politics is a lot more than that...but he's gaining support much more now or so we're told...I was just thinking about something you said actually...that he doesn't appear to have great intelligence so where are you going wrong..?..well I guess that's it really, he doesn't have the limits or boundaries/principles/beliefs etc that you have...there are no lows that would be too low for him.../maybe that's it..?...people are being shot/bombed/beheaded/tortured etc/yep, that's handy, I can use that to my advantage to stop these pesky Muslims coming into my country, Mr Trump life philosophy...something not many of us have...

[Kizzy]

Yes Ammi, he isn't a politician in as much as he knows how to create the fear factor but hasn't yet learnt how to manipulate the tools of social control at his disposal. If he was smart he would use his money to control the media like Mr Murdock, use that express his views and influence the masses so he can appear squeaky clean like our politicians do.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

This is true. He is also targeting goods being made overseas in places like China. It's all linked to the same basic philosophy. Its the arrogant part of American society that I detest

Something very telling in the video of him with Fox News... When asked if he accepts that the US needs allied Muslim countries to win against ISIS, his immediate gut reaction was "NO I do not accept that" before revising that to say that it "helps" but he will not admit that the US might not win without help. Because... He believes that they would of course win.

The speed ifnhis instinctual response says it all; he believes that the US can be an island and needs no one. American resources, in american factories, making American goods for american people. I think his dream world is basically self sufficiency and permanently closed borders. That's too extreme to get much support so he offers a toned down version but yeah... That dream is what gets him hard.

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

I hope his words are revisited, ' A mad man go out and get a nuclear weapon'... yes, it could be him! :/

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Youtube video

Feck Me Girth
7mins of that Punk talking.


No Bloody Trump Clips


I will Avoid this Ponce talking all the time

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Youtube video

yes mr internet guy on the clip

you are clever analysing an answer in your own time in a studio and then when you have done all your homework come on tv and sound smart


i wonder how he would do in a live leader debate?

and i wonder if he is a self made billionaire?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

yes mr internet guy on the clip

you are clever analysing an answer in your own time in a studio and then when you have done all your homework come on tv and sound smart


i wonder how he would do in a live leader debate?

and i wonder if he is a self made billionaire?

Yes Bang On Right LT

[Kizzy]

So you have to be of equal monetary value to question someones ethics now? oo eck :/

Expecting Trump to have a lucid response to anything, pffft.

[Kizzy]

'Donald Trump could be banned from entering the UK if he is deemed by ministers to be 'non-conducive to the public good', the Government has declared in response to the biggest ever petition on the Government website.
The petition to the government was created after the Republican presidential candidate made a series of outbursts about Britain's 'massive Muslim problem'.
Prime Minister David Cameron said Mr Trump's call to ban all Muslims from entering America was 'divisive, stupid and wrong' and ministers had steered clear of backing a ban on the controversial politician.
But in today's response to the petition, the Government made clear it acknowledged 'strength of feeling' behind the more than 565,000 signatures.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ocial-facebook

[arista]

[Donald Trump could be banned from entering the UK if he is deemed by ministers to be 'non-conducive to the public good', ]

Yes , it matters not

but if he is USA President
it all changes


Trump Doing Good
Get that Wall High

[Samm]

Can a new petition be made to ban him from the planet?

[arista]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

Can a new petition be made to ban him from the planet?

No Need
People in USA Like him


USA is Not like the UK


Trump can work with Novo's Putin



Everything Must Change

for Example
I hated that temp Brown New Labour Leader
he never had a election until he Got Kicked
away in That Fantastic 2010 day.




I never said Ban his Scottish Ass
From England

[lostalex]

What if Donald Trump actually wins, and he actually fixes all the problems and creates world peace?

I would never vote for him, but i've been wrong before.