[tmi]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/393075.stm

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I think you will find that the main thrust on my view - is less to do with her having the choice to stop - but FAR MORE on the clear fact that she had the choice to (a) not start (b) stop before addiction set in.

My view is not narrow minded. It's brutally honest and factual one.

Again, she didn't choose to become addicted. It's not a case of 'oh, one more hit and I'll be addicted, better not do it then', it's a gradual build up over time. I'm not saying what she did wasn't stupid nor her fault in some way, but I do feel sorry for her.

Maybe she shouldn't have started but that's more to do with the lifestyle she was leading. Being thrown head-first fame and money makes people do stupid things. That combined with the fact she's the sort of person to give into peer-pressure due to her weak mental state is a recipe for disaster. It's not entirely her fault.

You can't say your point is factual because it's not. There were many contributing factors which lead to her downfall. She was obviously a very complex individual and probably lived an extremely unsatisfying life. I find it pretty sad that people will just lap up what the media have told them and go telling the world how bad a person she was.

Ftr, I'm not and have never been a fan of her music. I just think some of the things people are saying about her are plain wrong.

[Ramsay]

when i found out earlier i wasent really surprised ..kind of expected
RIP
pete doherty next
another member of the 27 club

[Shaun]

just a small question but what does "bib" stand for? I've seen it used quite often and not really known why.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Stu

If you genuinly volunteered to be addicted to Nicotine then you are a fool. As are my.

Nobody chooses to be addicted to Nicotine. Can you remember the first cigarette where you became addicted? No?

Amy Winehouse didn't choose to be addicted to Crack or Heroin. Or Alcohol for that matter. She was a tragic being who dabbled in the wrong stuff and found out she couldn't get the better of it.

I haven't taken Crack but I've smoked Heroin. Not twice. Once. I wouldn't admit to it lightly. I could have gotten hooked off that one experience. It was absoloute heaven for fifteen minutes. I was told one experience could not get you addicted and that was true in my experience but ... I've got the better of it. I never went back. It hooked her. Drugs can hook you like that. I've railed my fair share of speed and coke too. And I've never felt the urge to go on. I knew when enoughb was enough. That's my body chemistry. You can't predict others.

Just like that certain unknown cigarette that hooked both you and I.

The difference between you and I Stu - I wouldn't touch anything like Heroin - not with a bargepole. I consider my life (smoking fags or not) to be far more important to me, than to try something that has the potential to put me into sneaking to the chemists for my wee cup of methadone.

Like I said: this thread is not about me or my smoking habits.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

just a small question but what does "bib" stand for? I've seen it used quite often and not really known why.

Bit in bold

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Your views are always incredibly narrow minded. And certainly not factual.

Truth is you don't even know how she became addicted(could've been spiked which is a common way of getting people hooked against their will). You also don't know how capable she was of resisting certain temptations. You do not know her demons.

So no, facts have nothing to do with it. You just lack empathy, sympathy, understanding and compassion. That much is apparent.

Here's the truth. I do not give a hoot as to how, why, or with whom, she became addicted.

She made her choice. Why should I have any compassion, empathy, sympathy etc. It was her choice. Doesn't impact upon me or my life.

Are you telling me that you knew her personally that you are able to know
how capable she was of resisting certain temptations? What demons did she have? Did she confide in you personally.?

if the answer to those questions is a No. You're not any position to find fault with my opinions.

You might not like them, you might not agree with them: that's something called having a difference of opinion - another fact.

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

My view is not narrow minded. It's brutally honest and factual one.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You're not any position to find fault with my opinions.

You might not like them, you might not agree with them: that's something called having a difference of opinion - another fact.

So your view is an opinion, not fact?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Boothy

So your view is an opinion, not fact?

In the context of the quotes you used: yes. Opposing views is quite commonly known as having a difference of opinion. Yes, therefore, it is fact.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Bit in bold

Thanks good to get a coherent answer.

[tmi]

Daily star
Daily mail
The sun

[The Human Santapede]

Such a shame one of the few very talented artists that we have around at the monet has gone.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I think you will find that the main thrust on my view - is less to do with her having the choice to stop - but FAR MORE on the clear fact that she had the choice to (a) not start (b) stop before addiction set in.

My view is not narrow minded. It's brutally honest and factual one.

You are correct in what you are saying Pyramid, brutally honest and factual is the simple truth that Amy could have and should have stopped taking the hard drugs and also stopped the drinking too, however as you say, she also had the choice to not only try or not to try them or dabble in them but not to come to in any way depend on them.

She did, I think she also surrounded herself with like minded people and as I said earlier, I was not in the least surprised to learn she had died, its the road she flung herself on, ignoring her Father and others,preferring to continue a lifestyle dependent on drugs and drink and the result is, as she has been warned on many occasions, that it would lead to tragedy.

A bit sooner than likely expected but she pressed the self destruct button and didn't want to listen to anyone advising her of the need to stop and sort herself out.

The other simple truth is, a few cigarettes and a few drinks often rather than what she chose to do and take and she'd still be here now.

[Ninastar]

okay major deja vu then

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Boothy

So your view is an opinion, not fact?

thankyou

she clearly doesn't know the difference she's so full of herself.

Unlike her Im not claiming factual content regards Amy. Looking through this thread its clear her opinions are nothing but sweeping generalisations about drug addicts. Nothing more.

Facts my arse.

[tmi]

I think I better go before I say something I will regret, pity other people didnt do the same.
Happy hols.

[tmi]

[Boothy]

The mods have been in

[tmi]

Rwy'n credu fy mod yn well gadael ar hyn o bryd cyn i mi fynd i unrhyw ddyfnach

[Ninastar]

Amy Winehouse tribute on Viva.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by tmi

lol. You are as mad as a hatter....and this post is why I love you to bits!!

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

lol. You are as mad as a hatter....and this post is why I love you to bits!!

Actions louder than words I thought ds was bad, bloody hell

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You are correct in what you are saying Pyramid, brutally honest and factual is the simple truth that Amy could have and should have stopped taking the hard drugs and also stopped the drinking too, however as you say, she also had the choice to not only try or not to try them or dabble in them but not to come to in any way depend on them.

She did, I think she also surrounded herself with like minded people and as I said earlier, I was not in the least surprised to learn she had died, its the road she flung herself on, ignoring her Father and others,preferring to continue a lifestyle dependent on drugs and drink and the result is, as she has been warned on many occasions, that it would lead to tragedy.

A bit sooner than likely expected but she pressed the self destruct button and didn't want to listen to anyone advising her of the need to stop and sort herself out.

The other simple truth is, a few cigarettes and a few drinks often rather than what she chose to do and take and she'd still be here now.

Another of your typically robust, intelligent, incredibly astute and well rounded posts Joey.

[Saph]

on sky news again now

[Zippy]

she actually looks happy in her last appearance on stage

bless