[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I have really been surprised today at the number of people really impressed with the UKIP manifesto.
The Lib Dem one seems to have passed by virtually unnoticed.

Apparantly too UKIP indicated they want to allow bars and clubs to set up smoking rooms if they want to.
That actually seems to have gone down well with good numbers of people.

That is one of the things I like about Ukip - their support for the pub trade. I haven't really looked at their manifesto yet but I hear its the only one to have been fully costed by an independent body as well which gives them a bit more credibility.

They seem to be slipping in the polls right now though and I think they'll be left disappointed overall with their performance in the election

[AnnieK]

Are people telling you they will actually vote for UKIP Joey? I'm interested as I've spoken to people who said they agree with a lot of what they stand for but feel it would be a wasted vote at the polls.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Are people telling you they will actually vote for UKIP Joey? I'm interested as I've spoken to people who said they agree with a lot of what they stand for but feel it would be a wasted vote at the polls.

The general view I am getting is that UKIP have generated a lot of interest with this launch of their manifesto today.
I am finding a more positive response to them today for sure.

I am just catching up with it as I have been out most of the day canvassing for another party.

However if this is true too, they have struck another chord as well as to also saying they would get rid of ATOS style re-assessments and testing for the sick and disabled.
Even I could fully support that move.

Being fair, I would say this is the only manifesto that I am finding more talking about after its launch.

[Kizzy]

It would be a massive backwards step, UKIP are aging yuppies that want everything to so back to the 'glory' days of their youth where Women weren't allowed in the golf club except on 'lovely girls' day and you could expose everyone else in the bar to your second hand smoke without question.

[Vicky.]

I was quite impressed by UKIPs mind..I have to say. All I have ever heard from them really is the EU thing. Even their stance on immigration isnt as harsh as people think.


Mind, those manifestos are barely worth wiping your arse with when the time actually comes...

[Crimson Dynamo]

did anyone hear the disgusting speech by Clegg today?

The pathetic scaremongering, the patronising?

I hope him and his lilly livered party get wiped out in May

he is a scandal

smh

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nick Clegg: ''The Liberal Democrats will add a heart to a Conservative government and a brain to a Labour one''


unbelievable

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Nick Clegg: ''The Liberal Democrats will add a heart to a Conservative government and a brain to a Labour one''


unbelievable

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...&postcount=304

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...&postcount=304

pity he lacks courage

[smudgie]

We appear to be having an invasion of the top MPs of late.
We had Boris and George, then Dave On Monday, then Yvette yesterday and today her hubby Ed ventured onto our doorstep.
Very close margin between Labour and the Tories, makes for an interesting result.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by smudgie

We appear to be having an invasion of the top MPs of late.
We had Boris and George, then Dave On Monday, then Yvette yesterday and today her hubby Ed ventured onto our doorstep.
Very close margin between Labour and the Tories, makes for an interesting result.

This was up your way then eh

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

This was up your way then eh

Oh, He was in Yarm.
But looking at him licking a lemon top he must have been in Redcar as well.
Watch out Cleggy.

[Kizzy]

ban ha MTVN

So Nick is the heart and the brain.....so who has the nerve?

Er..... No.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

ban ha MTVN

be quiet you or Nicola will batter ya

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

be quiet you or Nicola will batter ya

She couldn't batter a mars bar

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

She couldn't batter a mars bar

[empire]

groups like uaf and hope not hate, are saying that if ukip win the 2020 election, we will have norsefire style dictatorship, and some of them claimed that nigel farage is the real version of adam sutler, the estabilishment parties are having sleepless nights about ukip, that they lie and claim that ukip will deport british born foreigners, or put them in concentration style camps, and that gays will be put into these camps aswell, 13 years of labour, we have two invasions of other countries, mass surveillance systems, to 90 day detention, and mass cover up of child abuse in rotherham, to rochdale, for political correctness, tolerance and diversity, and multculturalism, so who are the real dictatorship party, ukip or labour, make your choice.

[joeysteele]

Still 3 weeks to go and again this election is being ruined by all the talk of deals and coalitions.
In any election the supposition should be all parties are there to win it,so just ask them about their policies and their visions for the UK.

All this who will you go with, is really annoying,to me anyway. Of course root out the really important policies they parties will fight for the mos but spending interview after interview, hour after hour, day after day harping on about doing a deal with this ,that one or no one, really becomes tedious.

It is like the trident issue with the SNP, Greens and Plaid Cymru.okay they will vote against it, in parliament, the Conservatives will renew all 4,the Lib Dems likely 3, Labour certainly 3 but also 4 if the official guidance is that it is necessary to do so.
UKIP behind renewal too.

So where is the issue,all those votes to renew it and leaving still the SNP,Plaid Cymru and the Greens totally free to vote against as to their conscience.
It is a waste of time even raising the issue,let alone discussing it,yet there it is in every interview.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Still 3 weeks to go and again this election is being ruined by all the talk of deals and coalitions.
In any election the supposition should be all parties are there to win it,so just ask them about their policies and their visions for the UK.

All this who will you go with, is really annoying,to me anyway. Of course root out the really important policies they parties will fight for the mos but spending interview after interview, hour after hour, day after day harping on about doing a deal with this ,that one or no one, really becomes tedious.

It is like the trident issue with the SNP, Greens and Plaid Cymru.okay they will vote against it, in parliament, the Conservatives will renew all 4,the Lib Dems likely 3, Labour certainly 3 but also 4 if the official guidance is that it is necessary to do so.
UKIP behind renewal too.

So where is the issue,all those votes to renew it and leaving still the SNP,Plaid Cymru and the Greens totally free to vote against as to their conscience.
It is a waste of time even raising the issue,let alone discussing it,yet there it is in every interview.

In the past I would have completely agreed with you, but when its more than a 50/50 chance of parties working together after the election, I think its important to see who could form alliances as it could affect voting.

If Clegg had been quizzed more before the last election, it may have been obvious that he would sell his granny for a seat at the table, and the lib dems may not have received the seats to allow a coalition

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

In the past I would have completely agreed with you, but when its more than a 50/50 chance of parties working together after the election, I think its important to see who could form alliances as it could affect voting.

If Clegg had been quizzed more before the last election, it may have been obvious that he would sell his granny for a seat at the table, and the lib dems may not have received the seats to allow a coalition

I can agree with that,however we are not being told the detail of their policies anyway so that is another issue.

I am pretty clear already that the Conservatives will do a deal with UKIP and/or the Lib Dems.
The Lib Dems say they won't have any workign arrangement with UKIP however I think if it got them into sahred govt' again for 5 years they would.

It is pretty clear, the SNP, Plaid Cymru and the Greens would not supprt a Conservative govt; in any form whatsoever and in the SNP's case, they would only support a Labour led min gov't or a possible Labour/Lib Dem coalition.

That is all we need to know,in my view and I have learned all that in the last 2 weeks.
No one is saying what are the red lines that would stop them supporting a party in govt; anyway, all they are saying, as with the SNP on trident, the Greens on austerity and UKIP as to an EUY referendum, that they are things they would either support or not support but wouldn't close the door on other means of supporting whatever main party could form a govt:

The interviewers, presenters and programme makers still go on and on and get no answers,in my view they will never get real answers to that questioning,so ask questions of greater detail as to policy.
Such as exactly where will the 12 billion of cuts to welfare be made from the Conservatives.
Also when,will it likely be in 3 to 5 years that Labour plans to clear the deficit or will it be over a longer period.
We all possibly already know from 2010, that likely all Lib Dem policies could be thrown out again in coalitions deals.

The parties are being let off the hook as to policy at present and I really hope tonights opposition debate programme isn't taken up again by who will do a deal with who, rather than policy matters in greater detail.

Canvassing in the streets and on the doorstep, I am finding voters just more and more confused with the 'who will do a deal with who' scenario's.
Sadly for politics, more and more of the voters and likely voters, just being even more turned off by it all too.

[arista]

"Still 3 weeks to go and again this election is being ruined by all the talk of deals and coalitions.
In any election the supposition should be all parties are there to win it,so just ask them about their policies and their visions for the UK."



Yes Farage has No Deals made
but his number 2 has set some up ready
its normal.

Last time in 2010
Gordon Browns Team
were not ready for a Coalition
they were not united


David was united and well ready
and got it faster
to become PM.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Still 3 weeks to go and again this election is being ruined by all the talk of deals and coalitions.
In any election the supposition should be all parties are there to win it,so just ask them about their policies and their visions for the UK."



Yes Farage has No Deals made
but his number 2 has set some up ready
its normal.

Last time in 2010
Gordon Browns Team
were not ready for a Coalition
they were not united


David was united and well ready
and got it faster
to become PM.

Not really, David Cameron came through because he was 48 seats ahead of Labour and the fact Labour and the Lib Dems would have had to rely on other parties to govern.
David Cameron wanted a coalition possibly even less than Labour did.

I am aware the parties will be thinking about 'after' the election and working out their talks guidelines.

I was referrring to the interviewers,presenters, the political programming and news and media always going on about who will do this deal with who, which is starting, I am finding on the doorsteps anyway, to annoy voters who are in fact really hearing about and learning less and less as to the parties policies.

[arista]

" interviewers,presenters, the political programming and news and media "

well once you have heard Clegg
every other interview is the Fecking same



I just Hope Crick on Ch4HDNews
digs up a whopper

[arista]

[Vicky.]

My god I wish this kitchen thing would just be let go. I have never before in my lfie seen so much fuss over a kitchen

LOL at the bitch in the bottom though