[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

Okay since I missed the whole Gina Rio discussion because time zones, here are my assortment of thoughts in bullet fashion!

-I really don't see the comparisons to Jim Davidson, Helen, or Katie Hopkins at all. Like, Jim and Katie were entirely put into the house because of the awful things they've said and done, and Helen was put into the house because this is C5 BB and we're supposed to hate a prostitute, and then she turned out even worse than we imagined. Gina's VT was just like "lol I'm rich af" and I don't think that makes her a bad person or anything. And then once she was in the house she did have a rocky first few days, but she was able to recover pretty quickly and was actually pretty and nice and chill by the end of the week? I actually think that Gina's pretty unique in that she had her rough patch very early and then mellowed out more and more as time went on (the Hazel thing being the obvious exception.) Usually we're watching people become more and more agitated as the weeks pass on but Gina actually seemed to grow more comfortable with her environment each week.

-re: Gina playing the racism card, tbf explicitly saying in front of a black girl that black men aren't your type but you go for mixed race guys and then telling her "you probably wouldn't go for white guys" is at least extremely racially insensitive.

-"she claimed to have all of the money in the world, but it didn't change her having the face of a chewed piece of toffee." maybe this is just some British idiom I'm unfamiliar with, but am I supposed to believe that Gina isn't really rich because if she was then she would've had some plastic surgery on her face? I was confused by this.

-re: Gina slut-shaming Hazel, it definitely wasn't a good look but all it really does is, like, push Gina out of my top 10 and into my top 20 or something.

-re: the bee task, Gina and Hazel were both equally petty throughout the whole week. I think the difference is, like MB said, Gina's a complete cartoon character so it's expected from her. Hazel's whole shtick up until this point was that she was a resilient ice queen who didn't let anything (even a potential rape scenario) get her down! And then ****ing Gina of all people gets under her skin and she's reduced to lobbying makeup-related insults at her and telling her that she smelled. I like Gina and I dislike Hazel so obviously I ended up siding with Gina, but Hazel really was a bad arguer.

-re: Primark vs. Tesco, I don't really have much to say since I'm American and both of those brands/companies/whatever mean absolutely nothing to me, but I will say that until BB14 I was under the impression that it was "PREE-mark" and I thought it was, like, Michael Kors or some ****. Apparently I was wrong.

<3

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I was under the impression that it was "PREE-mark" and I thought it was, like, Michael Kors or some ****. Apparently I was wrong.

[Macie Lightfoot]

#. Sada Walkington (BB1)



more like Sada Joggington amirite?

ugh this actually pains me because Sada is the first boot EVER and she's actually pretty darn good? She was the token spiritual hippie that we saw in every early 2000s reality show, think Kelly Wiglesworth from Survivor. Sada was a quasi-vegetarian, she fell in love with India, and she chanted this beautiful masterpiece in the bedroom one night for no reason,

WE ARE ONE WITH THE GODESS
AND TO HER WE SHALL RETURN LIKE A DROP OF RAIN
DROP OF RAIN
FLOWING TO THE OCEAN

and then Nichola was oddly delighted by this and asked her to chant it again <3 I love granola chicks like Sada because she's such a product of the time period she exists in and it makes it super easy to put yourself in the Y2K mentality and enjoy BB1.

Unfortunately, for reasons that weren't really shown in the highlights, everyone hated Sada and she was nominated!!! I can only guess that she was nominated because she's annoying af. Thankfully, though, this kicked off a hilarious roller coaster of emotions including

-proudly proclaiming that all the guys fancied her
-being really bitter at Mel for ****ing up the gender divide and thus sealing her fate
-threatening to walk
-deciding not to walk
-becoming Caroline's personal therapist when she wanted to walk
-bitching out Mel for having a gameplan and being convinced that Mel was jealous of her

It was all as hilarious as it sounds, but unfortunately the public had enough and Sada was evicted right away, forcing her to take a farewell bath (???) in the garden before leaving. I can't exactly say that it was the wrong choice, because...

I am not only saving, but using my final pass on Caroline because she is AMAZING and she doesn't deserve to go so soon just because people are too lazy to watch BB1.

[Daniel.]

She was only nasty to Hazel, Jemima said "you probably wouldn't go out with a white guy" to a black woman after saying "I wouldn't go for a black guy" so lumping them all together Skin colour shouldn't determine who you find attractive or would date.

Gina is genuinely rich because she's always sending Snapchat's of her in her car, tours of her house, her wardrobe, her shopping, her on holiday etc. If she wasn't, wouldn't she have been exposed by now?

I don't think Gina support started the 'let's support dicks' thing because Gina was a nice girl until the Haze; situation where she lost a lot of fans (I personally went off her big time, she was headed for my top five before then).

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

She was only nasty to Hazel, Jemima said "you probably wouldn't go out with a white guy" to a black woman after saying "I wouldn't go for a black guy" so lumping them all together Skin colour shouldn't determine who you find attractive or would date.

The thing is Jemima didn't say she didn't find black men unattractive. She said she would never date one as they're not her type that she usually goes for. Same way blonde women aren't certain men's type.

[Jason.]

I find that her nastiness is/was championed and she doesn't get enough criticism for it. I mean remember her Primark shoes comment? which was seen as hillarious and was championed, even though used in an insulting context. Fast forward a year later, and you get Zoe's Tesco comment, which lets face it, wasn't as nasty as Gina's comment, yet Zoe was vilified for it, and was shown the door a few days later. Is shopping at Primark less insulting than people who work at Tesco's or something?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

She was only nasty to Hazel, Jemima said "you probably wouldn't go out with a white guy" to a black woman after saying "I wouldn't go for a black guy" so lumping them all together Skin colour shouldn't determine who you find attractive or would date.

Gina is genuinely rich because she's always sending Snapchat's of her in her car, tours of her house, her wardrobe, her shopping, her on holiday etc. If she wasn't, wouldn't she have been exposed by now?

I don't think Gina support started the 'let's support dicks' thing because Gina was a nice girl until the Haze; situation where she lost a lot of fans (I personally went off her big time, she was headed for my top five before then).

There's a big difference between stupid / ignorant and racist. And Gina was unpleasant way before the Hazel stuff imo.

As for her being fake, I don't think she faked being rich. I think she exaggerated her poshness.

Originally Posted by BB6

I find that her nastiness is/was championed and she doesn't get enough criticism for it. I mean remember her Primark shoes comment? which was seen as hillarious and was championed, even though used in an insulting context. Fast forward a year later, and you get Zoe's Tesco comment, which lets face it, wasn't as nasty as Gina's comment, yet Zoe was vilified for it, and was shown the door a few days later. Is shopping at Primark less insulting than people who work at Tesco's or something?

Spot on, I've made the exact same point in the past.

[LukeB]

I disliked Gina week 1, but I grew to like her, she was horrible towards Hazel tbh but I did see a nice a side to her. Her friendship with Sam was lovely too since his best buddy Callum got evicted. I prefer Hazel tbh but I don't think Gina or anyone was jealous because they just clashed because both of them are feisty(girls clash because of similarities of each other like Helen and Ashleigh). She wasn't as vile and evil as Helen and Conor etc.

[Daniel.]

Gina is a black woman, some people are more sensitive than others, I don't think anyone can say how others should feel. Gina has a right to be offended if she found the comment ignorant.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

Gina is a black woman, some people are more sensitive than others, I don't think anyone can say how others should feel. Gina has a right to be offended if she found the comment ignorant.

Yes, ignorant. Not racist. Like she accused Jemima of being and then went about like she had been called the N word and expirience racial abuse. Then calling Jemima a racist bitch afterwards.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

Gina is a black woman, some people are more sensitive than others, I don't think anyone can say how others should feel. Gina has a right to be offended if she found the comment ignorant.

Actually, considering she took a fairy trivial situation in the grand scheme of things and tried to turn it into a race row (and pretty much trivialised racism in the process), people absolutely have a right to voice an opinion on that.

As for her having a right to be offended, you're absolutely right. The issue is how she dealt with that and blew it up into a huge issue.

[Jason.]

Also, people saying she was only nasty to Hazel.

She treated Jemima awfully as well. Bidding a friendly farewell to someone on their eviction only to go into the DR moments later and say "Good Riddance" isn't what I'd call nice behaviour. Not to mention Gina saying she didn't want to be evicted in Week 3 (when she was up) because it would mean she had Jemima on BOTS, and she'd have to sit next to her in the final.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by BB6

Also, people saying she was only nasty to Hazel.

She treated Jemima awfully as well. Bidding a friendly farewell to someone on their eviction only to go into the DR moments later and say "Good Riddance" isn't what I'd call nice behaviour.

It was an equal feud, Jemima never gave Gina a chance, as soon as she entered Jemima went all reverse snobbery on Gina and was bitching about her the next say on live feed when Gina had said nothing to or about Jemima.

[Daniel.]

Gina was witty and funny and a complete OTT character, hence why people found Primark funny. Gina also said it in retaliation to someone saying she looked like a prostitute, whereas Zoe just said it in a calm conversation.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

Gina was witty and funny and a complete OTT character, hence why people found Primark funny. Gina also said it in retaliation to someone saying she looked like a prostitute, whereas Zoe just said it in a calm conversation.

That doesn't make sense. Surely saying it in a calm conversation is less vitriolic than using it as an insult, retaliation or otherwise?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

Gina was witty and funny and a complete OTT character, hence why people found Primark funny. Gina also said it in retaliation to someone saying she looked like a prostitute, whereas Zoe just said it in a calm conversation.

Saying it in retalition is completely irrelevant, she still said it. She couldn't think of a response that wasn't essentially an insult to a lot of other people who had nothing to do with her dispute with Sallie? Sorry, but that's no excuse.

[LukeB]

I just see it that both Hazel and Gina were bad as each other tbh, both of them gave it to each other.

The moment where i saw a different side to her is when she ate dog food or whatever it was, she is the type of girl who would refused to do that and have a tantrum or something but she did it for the team.

[Jason.]

Hazel gave as good as she got. But I thought it was more bullying from Gina's side than from Hazel's.

Yes, I used the B word, because it was a form of bullying, IMO. I mean her behaviour received over 200 complaints, FFS.

[Lostie!]

I'll say one thing about Gina, she provokes a lot of debate.

And that's the closest to me complimenting her you're gonna get.

[Jason.]

Changing the subject, Becki is underrated.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by BB6

Changing the subject, Becki is underrated.

I loved Becki. Just a really sweet, eccentric woman, certainly not deserving of the hostiltiy she got from the crowd.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I loved Becki. Just a really sweet, eccentric woman, certainly not deserving of the hostiltiy she got from the crowd.

Gald to see someone else also loves her. She just nominated someone who happened to be popular, with no intended malice whatsoever. Also, some people say she was dull, but recently re-watching BB5 I thought she was a hoot.

[MB.]

Gina going from detesting Jemima's guts in week two to "well, I don't dislike Jemima..." in the final <3

[Daniel-X]

Gina isn't good but she isn't that bad. She's overrated to hell on here and Hazel and Sallie were much better housemates but she doesn't offend me that much

[Black Dagger]

Sallie was ****e. Perfect first boot