[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...6908-23638345/

Big Man has been offered a job

if you read that article it seems that even his new employers don't think he handled the situation correctly

We run a training programme which would help him to develop the correct skills to better handle situations like the one he found himself in

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by christmas_cake

if you read that article it seems that even his new employers don't think he handled the situation correctly

A bit downmarket compared to who the Big Man works with....

Alan – a manager with Ł2.3trillion asset management firm BlackRock

[joeysteele]

I am plesed to see that slightly more now agree with the action of Mr Pollock. It is not usually an action I would support,to manhandle someone else but I have said on this thread I think it was justified after the failure of the conductor to act correctly and efficiently himself and to be getting nowhere as to the teenager leaving the trrain at all.

Mr. Pollock didn't just wade in, he asked the official,(the conducter),first, did he want him to get the teenager off the train.

It is not an action I would like to see as generally done on public transport but in this instance, clearly things were going nowhere and so since the teen would 'not' leave the train and was getting abusive in this instance,well I would have smiled at the result after Mr Pollock's intervention.

As for Mr Main snr, well he needs to instil some respect for 'other people' going about their daily business into his son.

Had I acted like this teenager(just still a teenager though), my Dad would have really got at me first for attempting to use something I had no legitimate right to and also for becoming abusive in a public place.
I'd have been marched back to the Rail company to apologise for my behaviour and although he wouldn't have liked someone else manhandling me, speaking to my Dad yesterday he said in that instance,I would have got what I deserved.
I agree with him on that completely in this particular instance.

This has been a good thread,it has stirred up good debate and emotions on all sides of the argument,it will be interesting to see what the final tally of voting leaves the result to be.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am plesed to see that slightly more now agree with the action of Mr Pollock. It is not usually an action I would support,to manhandle someone else but I have said on this thread I think it was justified after the failure of the conductor to act correctly and efficiently himself and to be getting nowhere as to the teenager leaving the trrain at all.

I will ask you too then joey...if it had been a female, or an elderly person behaving in the way the student did...would you be commending the big mans actions then?

No dodging the question like others have by throwing about stereotypes of 'older people wouldnt act like that' either

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I will ask you too then joey...if it had been a female, or an elderly person behaving in the way the student did...would you be commending the big mans actions then?

No dodging the question like others have by throwing about stereotypes of 'older people wouldnt act like that' either

I didn't see your question. I won't dodge the question - I won't give an opinion on it because that's us back to 'what ifs' situation again.

This story may or may not have had a different outcome if it was a female: but as it isn't - it's the situ we have as is, that we're discussing, not the 'what ifs'.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I didn't see your question. I won't dodge the question - I won't give an opinion on it because that's us back to 'what ifs' situation again.

This story may or may not have had a different outcome if it was a female: but as it isn't - it's the situ we have as is, that we're discussing, not the 'what ifs'.

This is just question dodging disguised with an excuse.

The real reason you're not answering the question is because you know full well that you can't, as you wouldn't hold the same opinion on this if it were a woman or an elderly person...basically double standards. And you just won't admit to that. You'll deny this and try to shy away from it all you want but it's evident for all to see, you won't answer the question because you'll expose your double standards.

[MTVN]

You already did answer Pyramid

Originally Posted by Snowball

I will be honest here: if it was anyone giving the conductor verbals the way this guy did: I don't care what age or sex the person is - I still would not have found fault.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I will ask you too then joey...if it had been a female, or an elderly person behaving in the way the student did...would you be commending the big mans actions then?

No dodging the question like others have by throwing about stereotypes of 'older people wouldnt act like that' either

Oh Vicky you do know how to stump me a bit and you do sort of have me there,in fact my answer would have to be no,I wouldn't support that action in that instance, having said that I have often found as a student some females far more vicious and physical than some males.

However, as I say you have me a bit in the corner with that question though, I have been brought up to respect women and also the elderly and as you asked me to not sidestep and say older people wouldn't act like that, my answer would then have to be no, I wouldn't support such action in that scenario you outlined.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh Vicky you do know how to stump me a bit and you do sort of have me there,in fact my answer would have to be no,I wouldn't support that action in that instance, having said that I have often found as a student some females far more vicious and physical than some males.

However, as I say you have me a bit in the corner with that question though, I have been brought up to respect women and also the elderly and as you asked me to not sidestep and say older people wouldn't act like that, my answer would then have to be no, I wouldn't support such action in that scenario you outlined.

I've seen women with a drink in them being aggressive and foul mouthed - and many of them can be far more vicious & far more scary than even this guy was - if it had been such a woman -it may have required more than just one Big Man to sort her out....... !

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I've seen women with a drink in them being aggressive and foul mouthed - and many of them can be far more vicious & far more scary than even this guy was - if it had been such a woman -it may have required more than just one Big Man to sort her out....... !

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16229921

A ticket inspector has been stabbed on a C2C train travelling from Essex into London, prompting an investigation by British Transport Police (BTP).

The attack at East Tilbury happened on the 20:20 Southend Victoria to London Fenchurch Street service on Friday.

BTP said the inspector had asked two men without tickets, aged about 18, to leave the train. They got off, but one returned and stabbed him in the back.

The inspector was said to be in a comfortable condition in hospital.

Officers are now looking through CCTV images and are appealing to any passengers on the train who witnessed anything to contact them.

'Severely punished'

One of the suspects wore a black hooded top and the second a grey flat cap and grey top.

The police force said there had been four ticket inspectors on the service at the time of the stabbing and that they worked in pairs.

Bob Crow, general secretary of the Rail Maritime and Transport union representing many railway workers, said anyone with any information should contact police urgently.

"Once again it shows the dangers that transport staff face every day and particularly over the Christmas and new year period.

"The perpetrators of this vicious and cowardly assault must be caught and the authorities need to show that those who attack public service workers will be severely punished," he said.

The other side of the coin, eh .....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

The other side of the coin, eh .....

I hope they Arrest that Evil Punk

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16229921

The other side of the coin, eh .....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-16239056

Detectives investigating the stabbing of a rail ticket inspector at East Tilbury station, Essex, have arrested two people.

British Transport Police arrested a 19-year-old man and a 17-year-old boy on Sunday in Tilbury, two days after the incident on a C2C train.

The males were arrested on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm.

The inspector, 42, needed three stitches to the stab wound and was released from hospital on Saturday.

[arista]

Vicky

Of course Not
if it was a pissed female
next station with Female Staff and Female Lesbo Police



Note: There is nothing wrong with Lesbos

[arista]

Right 22 55.00%
Wrong 18 45.00%



Yes The Big Man was Right

The Pissed Student Punk is Guilty

[Omah]

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/21...rain_conductor

CCTV images of two suspects wanted over an attack on a railway conductor near Redhill on Wednesday morning (November 30) have been released by police.

The victim, a staff member on a Southern service from London Victoria to Ore in East Sussex, was set upon after asking two men for their tickets at around 6.30am.

They had not paid and refused to leave the train when asked, then swearing at the conductor and threatening to attack him with a whiskey bottle.

One of the men tried to throw a punch at the conductor before the other poured the contents of the bottle over him.

The two men left the train at Redhill, taking the empty bottle with them.

Inspector Jack Ioannou, of the British Transport Police, said: “This pair’s behaviour towards the member of staff, who had quite rightly asked them for their tickets to travel, was completely unacceptable.

“This was a degrading assault on a man who was simply trying to do his job and we’ll do everything we can to track down the pair responsible.”

A conductor's lot is not a happy one when he has to deal with thugs .....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

A conductor's lot is not a happy one when he has to deal with thugs .....

Yes which proves the Big Man was right
even though it was a Pissed Student Punk
and not like your current story pick of thugs

[Omah]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/t...calls.16215980

THE man who shot the YouTube video showing a student being manhandled off a ScotRail train has had to go ex-directory after receiving prank calls.

Ian Hems's video had attracted nearly two million views as of yesterday. It has made headlines across Britain and further afield and has also sparked a debate about the extent of citizen-power.

The video shows 19-year-old Sam Main apparently being lifted from his seat and physically ejected from the Edinburgh to Perth ScotRail service after he swore at a train conductor.

Alan Pollock – a 30-year-old finance manager dubbed the "big man" online – intervened after the teenager refused to leave the train at Linlithgow, then blocked his attempt to re-enter the carriage and eventually sat down to cheers from other passengers.

Mr Hems captured the action on his Nokia mobile phone and uploaded it to YouTube. But he did not expect the video to go viral and become an internet hit.

The 27-year-old IT teacher, said ruefully yesterday: "If you ever upload a film to YouTube, don't put your actual name on it. I've had to phone BT and go ex-directory because my phone has gone red-hot from about five in the morning with prank calls.

"I was only there [on the train] and filmed it. Big deal. What's the problem? I'm not the star of this show. I don't get why people are getting at me on this one."

It was only the day after he posted the video online, when it made the front page of Reddit, a popular news website featuring user-generated content, that Mr Hems realised how popular it was becoming.

He admits to being slightly baffled by the fuss and said: "I don't really get what it's all about, to be honest."

Speaking about the incident yesterday, Mr Hems – who has been interviewed by British Transport Police – said he was sitting bored on the train, "mucking around with the phone", when it started.

He said: "I started filming purely because the train conductor had gone backwards and had stopped the train after checking everyone's tickets.

"There was a bit of abuse going on. I thought the transport police were about to come and throw the student off the train.

"I was thinking it was going to be funny, but I didn't expect the big man to step up like that. It has caused a bit of a stir.

"I'm firmly on the big man's side because he did what everyone wanted to be done."

Mr Hems added: "Sam is basically saying that he tried to explain, and wasn't given a chance to explain [about the ticket]. But he was given lots of time to explain.

"He was just being offensive - He could have avoided it if he'd just got a ticket. He got a taxi home afterwards. He clearly had money."

Mr Hems said that after the incident everybody "took their headphones off, and started chatting". He added: "I've never been on a train journey where everyone starts talking to each other - it was very weird.

"Most folk were on the side of [Alan Pollock]. It was the right thing to do. The conductor was pretty much in shock."

Well, Ian Hems was there and he should know .....

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/t...calls.16215980



Well, Ian Hems was there and he should know .....

Yeah he was, and he is entitled to his opinion. But thats all it is, his opinion. Unless of course this IT teacher is some sort of expert on the law of the land.

Incidentally:

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-16239056

Love the red highlights. Nothing like shooting yourself down is there?

Talk about an "own goal"!

[InOne]

Why are you posting all this crap in here, it's nothing to do with the topic

[Josy]

Omah can you stop posting articles from different incidents in here please, they have nothing to do with this thread topic.

[Omah]

after refusing to leave

Originally Posted by ~HO~HO~HO~

Omah can you stop posting articles from different incidents in here please, they have nothing to do with this thread topic.

Nothing to do with the "passenger/conductor incident" on Scotrail ?

I beg to differ - the post at 09:24, to which the previous FM presumably refers, is specifically to do with the "passenger/conductor incident" on Scotrail .....

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Omah

19 year old 'fare dodger' thrown off train by passenger after refusing to leave



Nothing to do with the "passenger/conductor incident" on Scotrail ?

I beg to differ - the post at 09:24, to which the previous FM presumably refers, is specifically to do with the "passenger/conductor incident" on Scotrail .....

I never posted specifically about any article or said they were all off topic I asked you to stop copy/pasting articles that have nothing to do with incident that's been debated in here, like the 3 you posted before the one that was on topic...

[Omah]

Originally Posted by ~HO~HO~HO~

I never posted specifically about any article or said they were all off topic I asked you to stop copy/pasting articles that have nothing to do with incident that's been debated in here, like the 3 you posted before the one that was on topic...

As I pointed out in one of those, the articles were included to show the "other side of the coin", i.e. to give perspective .....

If the purpose of this thread is merely to score points by analysing a video clip ad infinitum then I am happy to leave well enough alone .....

[Pyramid*]

Interesting little snippet that has come to light.

Main Junior does indeed seem to be coming over more and more of a lout and a yob at every turn. I so want this CCTV clip to be made available: let's see how much of a charming young man his father believes his son really is then......

But CCTV footage from the train has shown a new side to the story, which is missing from the clip which became an online sensation.

Filmed earlier in the journey, it is understood to show student Sam Main trying to trip up the white-haired conductor as he goes about his work.

After a heated argument with the man, the youth is seen putting his leg out into the train aisle to block his way, with the next frame appearing to show the conductor forced to step over him to leave

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1h7JKRVZR