[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I thought your PM last week says I have to call you "your Irish majesty" or I get another ban?


With this and having to do Josy's washing this week I am right fed up

[lostalex]

can't we all just agree that everyone else should shut the folk up?

[Jules2]

There is good and bad in all things, we have the positive and the negative, we have to accept though that what is positive to one isnt always the same to another and vice versa.

We have to find a balance but I doubt whether everyone in life will tbh. What I find hypocritical re spiritual matters whether it be one church or another, is the fact that some preach something but they do not uphold that teaching within their own lives.

My son-in-laws sister and her family, were great within their church, they were respected and took great satisfaction in their positions as helpers and yet, her husband beat her. She died at the age of 34 through his illtreatment. He still went on in church in his capacity as a verger (I think that is the correct title), why didnt others know, why wasnt the poor lass helped? What right did they have to say to another "thou shalt not.....". Two of their children are a mess and sadly one is passing it on to her child.

Such a lot to consider if one wants to be respected as a helper of the spiritual life. On the other hand we have those who uplift and help those in trouble. We can never judge tbh.

[Jules2]

If Man can achieve this why can't God?

It surely is a difficult one Kirk, it really is. Tbh I have been looking into Essenes to see if I can find any hint of it. It all goes back to how we feel...

[Jules2]

"Well, many things have been said about the Essenes. Who are the Essenes, what are the Dead Sea scrolls, etc The catholic church was really bothered because the Dead Sea scrolls show in an obvious way that all that Jesus had done, were things that existed already. Jesus came into a tradition! This calls into question the whole catholic
church, who says that Jesus is a self begotten son of God, descended from the sky just like that in the middle of nowhere. Well they were very bothered, because we see quite openly in the scrolls that Jesus came into a tradition which existed already and that he was a son of man who became a son of God – as he says himself –, that means
an Essene!"


"Look at Jesus: “Do you want to follow me? Follow me! Let the
dead bury the dead. I came for life, to give you life. But a life that you don’t know, a divine life, a life above, a life with high ideas, a life which comes from on high, a life which is going to fill you with something spiritual, a life that we don’t see.”
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Please dont shoot the typist.........am just picking out pieces from the Essenes. Has anyone managed to read anything of the Dead Sea Scrolls, are they available?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jules2

"Well, many things have been said about the Essenes. Who are the Essenes, what are the Dead Sea scrolls, etc The catholic church was really bothered because the Dead Sea scrolls show in an obvious way that all that Jesus had done, were things that existed already. Jesus came into a tradition! This calls into question the whole catholic
church, who says that Jesus is a self begotten son of God, descended from the sky just like that in the middle of nowhere. Well they were very bothered, because we see quite openly in the scrolls that Jesus came into a tradition which existed already and that he was a son of man who became a son of God – as he says himself –, that means
an Essene!"


"Look at Jesus: “Do you want to follow me? Follow me! Let the
dead bury the dead. I came for life, to give you life. But a life that you don’t know, a divine life, a life above, a life with high ideas, a life which comes from on high, a life which is going to fill you with something spiritual, a life that we don’t see.”
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Please dont shoot the typist.........am just picking out pieces from the Essenes. Has anyone managed to read anything of the Dead Sea Scrolls, are they available?

I think that's why we only have testament from disciples and hangers on, as an essene maybe jesus was a gnostic and his teachings esoteric?

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think that's why we only have testament from disciples and hangers on, as an essene maybe jesus was a gnostic and his teachings esoteric?

Hi Kizzy I definitely believe his teachings were esorteric and for me some of the things in the bible should be looked at with an esorterical eye and thought.

Good old google, there is much on the Dead Sea Scrolls, have sent for a book to study. It will keep me out of trouble, mmmm I think......

[Jules2]

"Paranormal research[edit]
Approaching the paranormal from a research perspective is often difficult because of the lack of acceptable physical evidence from most of the purported phenomena. By definition, the paranormal does not conform to conventional expectations of nature. Therefore, a phenomenon cannot be confirmed as paranormal using the scientific method because, if it could be, it would no longer fit the definition. (However, confirmation would result in the phenomenon being reclassified as part of science.) Despite this problem, studies on the paranormal are periodically conducted by researchers from various disciplines. Some researchers simply study the beliefs in the paranormal regardless of whether the phenomena are considered to objectively exist. This section deals with various approaches to the paranormal: anecdotal, experimental, and participant-observer approaches and the skeptical investigation approach".

Taken from your link LT. One link leads to another.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jules2

"Paranormal research[edit]
Approaching the paranormal from a research perspective is often difficult because of the lack of acceptable physical evidence from most of the purported phenomena. By definition, the paranormal does not conform to conventional expectations of nature. Therefore, a phenomenon cannot be confirmed as paranormal using the scientific method because, if it could be, it would no longer fit the definition. (However, confirmation would result in the phenomenon being reclassified as part of science.) Despite this problem, studies on the paranormal are periodically conducted by researchers from various disciplines. Some researchers simply study the beliefs in the paranormal regardless of whether the phenomena are considered to objectively exist. This section deals with various approaches to the paranormal: anecdotal, experimental, and participant-observer approaches and the skeptical investigation approach".

It all amounts to very little I am afraid. I think of it like ghost sitings. They always seem to be of medieval people and the images are grainy and unclear.

Why because that is what people thunk "ghosts" look like so they do what humans are good at and that is spotting human shapes in things. Why is it grainy because if it were sharp you could see what it really was and there is no mystery and no cache for the person claiming to have spotted it.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It all amounts to very little I am afraid. I think of it like ghost sitings. They always seem to be of medieval people and the images are grainy and unclear.

Why because that is what people thunk "ghosts" look like so they do what humans are good at and that is spotting human shapes in things. Why is it grainy because if it were sharp you could see what it really was and there is no mystery and no cache for the person claiming to have spotted it.

I cant answer you really LT because we have to experience to know what I am saying. I consider it all as one, as we are in another dimension we are actually there. It is as though that is the real life at that time of being.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet;7324779[B

]It all amounts to very little I am afraid. [/B]I think of it like ghost sitings. They always seem to be of medieval people and the images are grainy and unclear.

Why because that is what people thunk "ghosts" look like so they do what humans are good at and that is spotting human shapes in things. Why is it grainy because if it were sharp you could see what it really was and there is no mystery and no cache for the person claiming to have spotted it.

Have seen such a ghost, we stayed in a very old Inn, I didnt know anything about it but in the night there he was.

I asked the landlord the next day, he then told me that yes they had a ghost. I was very intrigued with the experience.

[lostalex]

everyone just repeat after me... "I don't know".

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by lostalex

everyone just repeat after me... "I don't know".

This is where faith comes into something Alex, we know how we feel. As we know many have faith in the word of the bible.

Am just reading a book on the Dead Sea Scrolls, wow, theirs is a vengeaful god according to one section, death for the least thing all in the name of God. Obedience was the name of the game. Another section talks of gods within a God, maybe Stichin has something after all. They seem to talk as though God is a "man".......

Have only read so far so things may change later on in the text but I havent as yet found anything calming.

Marriage was allowed but sex was only to be practiced for the purpose of birthing. Hey ho have we come a long way today or not, I doubt whether the society of this time would have got very far as things are so lax.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by lostalex

everyone just repeat after me... "I don't know".

Amen!!Here lies the most intellegent post on the forum.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

everyone just repeat after me... "I don't know".

and then repeat

"oh yeah, this is a discussion forum"

[Jules2]

We seem to have come to a close but before I go I will just say one thing, thank you all for chatting have enjoyed all your views and I know that there is cause for everything to be considered.

I have got a bit further with the Scrolls and have learnt quite a bit tbh. The different laws etc. etc., reasons why things have been said in the bible. It has altered my mind to some things, their take on marriage and family is fascinating and surely wouldnt survive in this day and age. It has answered my question of "leave your famiy and follow me". It is all very politically minded. It is worth a read if anyone is interested in that period of time. I guess it is all our history. Anyway take care everyone.

[Josy]

I cleaned the last few pages of this thread and also removed a few comments.

If your post was removed then it was either against the rules or it was quoting or replying to a deleted post.

Can we now stick to the thread topic and not discuss other members or problems you may have with each other.

Please also remember that this is the Serious Debates section, if you have no interest in taking part in the debate and prefer instead to make jokey, fun comments then you should head to chat & games.