[Jemal]

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[Jemal]

Cutting welfare. Privatising NHS. Punishing disabled. Increasing poverty. Ending human rights. it just gets better and better.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think you're being very naive and I do not understand why you're so blindly loyal to a party that will do nothing but make your life harder. It's quite sad in all honesty.

The cuts are going to **** over most of your family it seems. You'll be the first one to suffer as Teaching Assistants are being cut all over the place already and if those cuts go through you can almost certainly say goodbye to your job and good luck finding another similar position. You'll either be forced to live on a vicious dole system until (more likely IF) a TA job comes up or you'll be forced to go for another role that wastes your talents and probably won't pay as much, you'll be lucky to get a job with set hours and not a zero hour contract, the latter of which probably won't provide you with a livable wage.

Your mother is certainly going to suffer, She won't be able to do the care work she currently does since those kind of contracts will be cut and she'll probably have to settle for one of the more dodgy contracts in which she's considered easily dispensable

Your brother's going to have an uncomfortable five years since he'll probably be let go at some point, he's got more job security than you or your mother but he's still going to be on shaky ground.

By voting in the Tories you've given up on any hope of job security and your quality of life is most likely going to tank completely in the next five years. I honestly don't understand how you can be so foolish as to defend the Tories when half of your family will be affected for the worst by their plans.

Wow, condensing and insulting, what an attractive combination.

What many fail to appreciate is that the reason the conservatives got in is because the voters looked at what had been achieved over the last 5 years and agree with the approach being taken to tackle the deficit. I don't care what side of the political divide people are on. It is only with a strong economy that we can afford to pay for services for those in need. All we would do is get in further debt and go bankrupt if we attempt to sustain services at a level we cannot afford.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Wow, condensing and insulting, what an attractive combination.

What many fail to appreciate is that the reason the conservatives got in is because the voters looked at what had been achieved over the last 5 years and agree with the approach being taken to tackle the deficit. I don't care what side of the political divide people are on. It is only with a strong economy that we can afford to pay for services for those in need. All we would do is get in further debt and go bankrupt if we attempt to sustain services at a level we cannot afford.

The coalition has already ran up more public debt that Labour ever did.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jemal

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That's interesting as so does the justice minister Gove, once the human rights act is out of the way would anyone be that surprised if it wasn't tabled?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

What many fail to appreciate is that the reason the conservatives got in is because the voters looked at what had been achieved over the last 5 years and agree with the approach being taken to tackle the deficit.

Originally Posted by More accurate

What many fail to appreciate is that the reason the conservatives got in is because the voters believed what the Tory-biased press said had been achieved over the last 5 years, and have been duped into agreeing with the approach being taken to supposedly tackle the deficit, because they are stupid.

There were mistakes in your post, I fixed it for you .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Josy

The coalition has already ran up more public debt that Labour ever did.

I am at a total loss as to how that could be overlooked by the voters. Then again Con. supporters will just say that was Labour's fault too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jemal

http://ind.pn/1Ff2yBV

[MTVN]

It's strange that in an era where newspapers are in perennial decline they are still credited with dictating the opinion of the country and deciding elections. To say the Conservatives won the election because of the Sun was rubbish in 1992 and it's even more rubbish now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think you're being very naive and I do not understand why you're so blindly loyal to a party that will do nothing but make your life harder. It's quite sad in all honesty.

The cuts are going to **** over most of your family it seems. You'll be the first one to suffer as Teaching Assistants are being cut all over the place already and if those cuts go through you can almost certainly say goodbye to your job and good luck finding another similar position. You'll either be forced to live on a vicious dole system until (more likely IF) a TA job comes up or you'll be forced to go for another role that wastes your talents and probably won't pay as much, you'll be lucky to get a job with set hours and not a zero hour contract, the latter of which probably won't provide you with a livable wage.
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Your mother is certainly going to suffer, She won't be able to do the care work she currently does since those kind of contracts will be cut and she'll probably have to settle for one of the more dodgy contracts in which she's considered easily dispensable

Your brother's going to have an uncomfortable five years since he'll probably be let go at some point, he's got more job security than you or your mother but he's still going to be on shaky ground.

By voting in the Tories you've given up on any hope of job security and your quality of life is most likely going to tank completely in the next five years. I honestly don't understand how you can be so foolish as to defend the Tories when half of your family will be affected for the worst by their plans.

More pie in the sky supposition

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's strange that in an era where newspapers are in perennial decline they are still credited with dictating the opinion of the country and deciding elections. To say the Conservatives won the election because of the Sun was rubbish in 1992 and it's even more rubbish now.

Dont underestimate the power of dm online

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Priti Patel says she thinks the practice "


No way she no High Enough to change anything

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's strange that in an era where newspapers are in perennial decline they are still credited with dictating the opinion of the country and deciding elections. To say the Conservatives won the election because of the Sun was rubbish in 1992 and it's even more rubbish now.

No you can't be suggesting that the media don't influence the electorate can you?.....
Where else do people get the information they base their opinions on?

It's more of a sociological than political issue in my view, we have the rise and rise of the bouquet family who think they're better off because they're in more dept than anyone else on the street
That justifies it in their minds to align themselves with the elite as they look down on anyone who can't afford a 10ft conservatory

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's strange that in an era where newspapers are in perennial decline they are still credited with dictating the opinion of the country and deciding elections. To say the Conservatives won the election because of the Sun was rubbish in 1992 and it's even more rubbish now.

Not sure.

I was only just born then but my Dad says he recalls absolutely loads of people mentioning the Sun's headline on election day 1992 as to putting the lights out if Kinnock had won.

Now however, I think the papers have less influence.

Also as to the polls,they were not necessarily wrong, all polls have a plus or minus error margin of up to 3% either way.
Most had labour and the Conservatives neck and neck on 34% each, take that 3% add it to the Conservatives you get 37% and then take that 3% from Labour to 31%.
That was actually spot on what the final tally of votes was.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's strange that in an era where newspapers are in perennial decline they are still credited with dictating the opinion of the country and deciding elections. To say the Conservatives won the election because of the Sun was rubbish in 1992 and it's even more rubbish now.

The printed press is in decline, the media overall still holds as much sway as it ever did. Press and propaganda decides elections. It's not rubbish at all. If it is "rubbish" then someone might want to tell the main parties, because they spend literally millions on advertising and propaganda, and are terrified of losing the investors that allow them to pay for that. Why? Because they know that an effective PR campaign is vital to winning an election.

Ask Livia, IIRC she "used to" spin for the Tories, she might know more about what sort of budget they had. Although, it seems she still does it for free these days .

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No you can't be suggesting that the media don't influence the electorate can you?.....
Where else do people get the information they base their opinions on?

It's more of a sociological than political issue in my view, we have the rise and rise of the bouquet family who think they're better off because they're in more dept than anyone else on the street
That justifies it in their minds to align themselves with the elite as they look down on anyone who can't afford a 10ft conservatory

Of course they have an influence but the power of the newspaper media has declined a lot in recent decades. People now have basically an infinite choice of places to get their news so that it is no longer the case that a few select titles have a monopoly over information. On top of that politics and politicians are generally more accessible than ever before, they are more accountable to the public and we are all able to witness first hand their claims and promises and see how they stand up on the television, on radio, online etc. I'm tired of hearing that Murdoch is to blame or that voters are so simple to have been duped by what they read in today's rag rather than having the capability to make their own mind up.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not sure.

I was only just born then but my Dad says he recalls absolutely loads of people mentioning the Sun's headline on election day 1992 as to putting the lights out if Kinnock had won.

Now however, I think the papers have less influence.

Also as to the polls,they were not necessarily wrong, all polls have a plus or minus error margin of up to 3% either way.
Most had labour and the Conservatives neck and neck on 34% each, take that 3% add it to the Conservatives you get 37% and then take that 3% from Labour to 31%.
That was actually spot on what the final tally of votes was.

I'm sure it lives long in the memory because it was a very successful, eye-catching headline. But I believe that the Kinnock campaign had been losing ground for some time before that and that his defeat had no longer looked so unlikely, a lot of people seem to point to the Sheffield rally in particular as doing a lot of damage.

Of course it was before my time and I won't claim to be an expert on that election but I think it is very easy to have hindsight distorted in crediting one headline or the efforts of one paper in deciding an outcome

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There were mistakes in your post, I fixed it for you .

No not duped at all. Sensible enough not to believe in the fantasy land created by other parties who magically are going to pay for everything with no money. As MTVN rightly states, the UK press has never had a lower level of influence now than it currently stands. So you can deface my words somewhere else thank you

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not sure.

I was only just born then but my Dad says he recalls absolutely loads of people mentioning the Sun's headline on election day 1992 as to putting the lights out if Kinnock had won.

Now however, I think the papers have less influence.

Also as to the polls,they were not necessarily wrong, all polls have a plus or minus error margin of up to 3% either way.
Most had labour and the Conservatives neck and neck on 34% each, take that 3% add it to the Conservatives you get 37% and then take that 3% from Labour to 31%.
That was actually spot on what the final tally of votes was.

As we all know well, there is nothing the British public hate more than someone who thinks they are a cast iron winner. Neil Kinnock was strutting around like he was already PM, thats what did for him. There were cameras in his home, ready to crown him winner as it happened. Instead they captured the humiliating defeat. People never laughed so much

[arista]

"if Kinnock had won."


Yes left Wing like MiliFail was

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Of course they have an influence but the power of the newspaper media has declined a lot in recent decades. People now have basically an infinite choice of places to get their news so that it is no longer the case that a few select titles have a monopoly over information. On top of that politics and politicians are generally more accessible than ever before, they are more accountable to the public and we are all able to witness first hand their claims and promises and see how they stand up on the television, on radio, online etc. I'm tired of hearing that Murdoch is to blame or that voters are so simple to have been duped by what they read in today's rag rather than having the capability to make their own mind up.

Then how do you account for the corroboration in the collective mindsets of the Murdock owned readership coinkydink?...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The printed press is in decline, the media overall still holds as much sway as it ever did. Press and propaganda decides elections. It's not rubbish at all. If it is "rubbish" then someone might want to tell the main parties, because they spend literally millions on advertising and propaganda, and are terrified of losing the investors that allow them to pay for that. Why? Because they know that an effective PR campaign is vital to winning an election.

Ask Livia, IIRC she "used to" spin for the Tories, she might know more about what sort of budget they had. Although, it seems she still does it for free these days .

They do not decide the outcome though, and the media battle is more open than its ever been before. More than smoke and mirrors and a few pals in the press is needed to win an election.

[user104658]

OK so the press has no influence on people's opinions, and yet magically, whenever something is in the press, it starts being parroted all over social media, in shops queues, on buses, and everywhere else that sheeple congregate to bleat within a matter of days.

Is it coincidence? Are people really this blind?

The idea that Labour would be "in bed" with the SNP and potentially having Scotland playing puppetmaster had an absolutely MASSIVE impact on the vote. That idea originated in the mainstream press.

The poor public perception of Ed Miliband, that he was not leadership material, that he was a bumbling sandwich-spiller, had an impact on Labour. Where did that one start? Oh yes, it was in the mainstream press.

The vilification of immigrants and "blame game" politics leading to the rise in popularity for UKIP - Mainstream press.

I could go on literally forever. The amount of propaganda that was flying around every single day, and being endlessly repeated by people who will believe anything they read, up here in Scotland during the referrendum campaign was mind-boggling.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

They do not decide the outcome though, and the media battle is more open than its ever been before. More than smoke and mirrors and a few pals in the press is needed to win an election.

Seriously MTVN I think you need to call the Conservative and Labour pursestring-holders and let them know that they've been wasting millions in party donations all along. That money could go to good use, and is clearly completely ineffective where it's being spent!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then how do you account for the corroboration in the collective mindsets of the Murdock owned readership coinkydink?...

Who's to say they do think the same? Where the Sun is concerned I doubt there is a significant difference between Labour supporting readers and Tory ones. And anyway it's fairly natural for people to read the paper that is more likely to reflect their stance. Newspapers follow public sentiment more than they dictate it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

They do not decide the outcome though, and the media battle is more open than its ever been before. More than smoke and mirrors and a few pals in the press is needed to win an election.

The media is a 3 ring circus of smoke, spin, and slur. I disagree with your statement for me there is less actual political discussion in the media now in the tabloids than ever it's 99% sensationalism.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Who's to say they do think the same? Where the Sun is concerned I doubt there is a significant difference between Labour supporting readers and Tory ones. And anyway it's fairly natural for people to read the paper that is more likely to reflect their stance. Newspapers follow public sentiment more than they dictate it.

You have infinitely more faith in people than I do. That's all I can really say.