[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would emigrate if I was damned to a lifelong tory government tbh. I imagine a lot of other working class people would too.

well make sure it's before Cameron tries to halt EU freedom of movement in the UK.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well make sure it's before Cameron tries to halt EU freedom of movement in the UK.

Oh good god you are right. What if I am stuck here forever, damned to a life of Cameron and IDS and whichever smug twats takes their place when they retire on fat pensions laughing all the way to the bank

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would emigrate if I was damned to a lifelong tory government tbh. I imagine a lot of other working class people would too.

First of all to arista, actually it wouldn't kill off Labour at all,the 1997 and 2001 election victories for Labour would still have been considerable overall majorities for labour even without all the Scottish seats and votes.
Even in 2005, Labour would likely have scraped home, you have to realise that the Lib Dem seats and the odd Conservative ones would be gone from the equation too as well as the SNP'S.

As to Vicky's point above, I still believe the Scots will reject independence. However if by some really awful backward miracle it looked like the Conservatives had any chance at all of winning the 2015 election then that may sway some undecided voters to go for independence.

Further to Vicky's point, I am still sad there is still over a year of this Govt to go yet and I have to console myself, for the most vulnerable in the UK, that at least they will be gone in 2015.
I couldn't,I think, bear this lot in for a single year more past 2015 let alone be in for good.

[arista]

Amazing The Chancellor Osborne (was just Live ) talking Bollocks

Osborne Warns Scotland: No Union, No Pound


http://news.sky.com/story/1210805/os...union-no-pound

[smeagol]

what has scotland given us except scotch eggs sea connery and tramps lol

i think its nuts. scotland is part of england. why do people create divides might as well give birmingham country status lol

[Z]

Scotland is not part of England

[Kizzy]

Why does everyone hate England?...

[Z]

Because so many English people refer to Scotland as part of England

[Kyle]

I think they should go for Independence. Maybe I will see less hostility towards my accent whenever I'm up there if they do.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zee

Because so many English people refer to Scotland as part of England

part of Great Britain ... it's not a good enough reason to prove a point to ignorant people, I can't see why deepening a divide would benefit anyone though.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

part of Great Britain ... it's not a good enough reason to prove a point to ignorant people, I can't see why deepening a divide would benefit anyone though.

Tongue was firmly in cheek there I don't hate English people and don't think we should leave the United Kingdom, personally.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zee

Tongue was firmly in cheek there I don't hate English people and don't think we should leave the United Kingdom, personally.

You will still be part of UK
but with more Freedom

Youtube video

Zee meet Limmy

[arista]

Youtube video

For any that Want a Laugh
Check out Lemmy
Features the PM as well

[MTVN]

Our curling teams will be screwed for the next Olympics if Scotland do become independent

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

You will still be part of UK
but with more Freedom

Youtube video

Zee meet Limmy

I've never really found Limmy that funny

Originally Posted by MTVN

Our curling teams will be screwed for the next Olympics if Scotland do become independent

Don't even mention the elephant polo squad, it's gonna be a nightmare

[Kizzy]

What about Rab C Nesbit?

[arista]

But Limmy has a Good Point he does trust the PM

[arista]

Youtube video

RT today


Frankie is from 11mins

[Kyle]

Didn't Limmy's brother get arrested a few weeks ago for calling Angela Haggerty 'taig of the day' or something?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Didn't Limmy's brother get arrested a few weeks ago for calling Angela Haggerty 'taig of the day' or something?

could be

Limmy is busy of tours

[joeysteele]

Technically Scotland won't be part of the UK if it leaves the UK,in fact there won't be UK in the real sense of the term.

The United Kingdom is made up from England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland,under one main overseeing governing body,namely the UK Govt.
If that Govt cannot speak at all for Scotland then Scotland clearly is no longer part of it.
Come to think of it, there is likely no Great Britain either, since Great Britain consists of England,Scotland and Wales.

I hope the Scots vote to stay in union with the other Countries that make up the present UK.
I don't think this kind of political threatening to Scotland as to the pound are helpful at all either.
If we are going to clearly still trade with the Scots if independent, also if we desire to have cordial relations with them too then it makes sense to do what is practical and also in the best interests of the rest of the broken up United Kingdom.

For me I would say Scotland has been a strong good influence and successful part of what is presently the UK.
I feel Govts of all parties when in Govt. have served the Scots really badly actually,often using the Scots as guinea pigs as to unpleasant and controversial policies.

I still think the Scots will vote to stay,however if George Osborne gets to make many more stupid and badly worded threats then it may well be those who want to leave the union,will near all get out and vote to do so with a much smaller proportion of those favouring staying making the effort to go and vote for same.

I do think, if there was a result for independence,it will cause big problems for the other Countries that made up the original UK.
For David Cameron however, to be the presiding PM, who saw in a referendum and then had the Scots vote for independence, that will be seen as a massive failure over time as to his term of Premiership.

Quite frankly, all I see is Alex Salmond almost brilliantly just running rings round David Cameron as to all aspects of this vote for independence.
Cameron's leadership on this so far has been pathetic and he is the so called Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Technically Scotland won't be part of the UK if it leaves the UK,in fact there won't be UK in the real sense of the term.

The United Kingdom is made up from England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland,under one main overseeing governing body,namely the UK Govt.
If that Govt cannot speak at all for Scotland then Scotland clearly is no longer part of it.
Come to think of it, there is likely no Great Britain either, since Great Britain consists of England,Scotland and Wales.

I hope the Scots vote to stay in union with the other Countries that make up the present UK.
I don't think this kind of political threatening to Scotland as to the pound are helpful at all either.
If we are going to clearly still trade with the Scots if independent, also if we desire to have cordial relations with them too then it makes sense to do what is practical and also in the best interests of the rest of the broken up United Kingdom.

For me I would say Scotland has been a strong good influence and successful part of what is presently the UK.
I feel Govts of all parties when in Govt. have served the Scots really badly actually,often using the Scots as guinea pigs as to unpleasant and controversial policies.

I still think the Scots will vote to stay,however if George Osborne gets to make many more stupid and badly worded threats then it may well be those who want to leave the union,will near all get out and vote to do so with a much smaller proportion of those favouring staying making the effort to go and vote for same.

I do think, if there was a result for independence,it will cause big problems for the other Countries that made up the original UK.
For David Cameron however, to be the presiding PM, who saw in a referendum and then had the Scots vote for independence, that will be seen as a massive failure over time as to his term of Premiership.

Quite frankly, all I see is Alex Salmond almost brilliantly just running rings round David Cameron as to all aspects of this vote for independence.
Cameron's leadership on this so far has been pathetic and he is the so called Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

the Tory boys are doing more good than harm to the yes campaign.

[Nedusa]

Not matter how well the Yes supporters to Independence fare in the polls no matter how high the final polls put the Yes vote.... the result is not in doubt... under NO circumstances will Scotland be allowed to break up the UK.

The vote will in all likelihood give the No vote a 60:40 or 65:35 outcome.

By hook or by crook this will be the result as there is too much at stake to allow 5M Scots to change the destiny of 60M British people. every trick in the book will be used to bribe,scare,cajole,intimidate,bully,seduce the scottish people into staying in the Union.

If all that fails then I believe the vote itself will be subltly manipulated to achieve this outcome.

Anyone wanna bet against me ???

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Not matter how well the Yes supporters to Independence fare in the polls no matter how high the final polls put the Yes vote.... the result is not in doubt... under NO circumstances will Scotland be allowed to break up the UK.

The vote will in all likelihood give the No vote a 60:40 or 65:35 outcome.

By hook or by crook this will be the result as there is too much at stake to allow 5M Scots to change the destiny of 60M British people. every trick in the book will be used to bribe,scare,cajole,intimidate,bully,seduce the scottish people into staying in the Union.

If all that fails then I believe the vote itself will be subltly manipulated to achieve this outcome.

Anyone wanna bet against me ???

No, I think like you that there is a 60-40 against independence,I just hope that enough of them go out to vote.

However, if this Govt. and indeed all the other parties spokesmen starts to politically almost blackmail the Scots as to things like the pound and then other economic factors too then I can see the strengthening of the independence vote.

I really hope they vote against independence and then help the rest of the UK outside the South of England to get rid of this totally heartless and rotten Govt.
Then I hope in light of this independence vote that a future Govt will start to treat the Scots with more respect too.

[Cherie]

I think when it comes to the crunch the majority will want to stay in the Union.