[Kizzy]

'What I want to do is give you a sense of what we know so far. Then, tell you as much as I can about our past contact with the killer. We are going through the killer’s life, as I said, especially his electronics, to understand as much as we can about his path and whether there was anyone else involved, either in directing him or in assisting him. So far, we see no indication that this was a plot directed from outside the United States, and we see no indication that he was part of any kind of network.'

https://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches/up...-investigation

[Crimson Dynamo]

gay on gay killing

[Cherie]

He might have visited the club regularly to plan his attack, as a lone gunman he took down almost as many people at several attackers did in the Bataclan, he knew exactly what he was doing.

[user104658]

Like I said it's a classic tale; conflict between sexuality and what "religion" tells people is morally right. Kids from birth are indoctrinated into believing the words of their religion - which tells them that homosexuality is wrong - and then they hit sexual maturity and realise that they are aroused by people of the same gender. But that religious doctrine is so firmly implanted that it leaves them with massive, illogical feelings of guilt and anger at themselves, which all too often results in them lashing out at other "sinners" in an effort to prove that they're "not like them".

Yes, this time it has been taken to a horrifying and devastating extreme... but there are countless examples of people in denial (of all religions) turning to violence, even murder, because of the fundamental incompatibilities between their instincts and their belief system. Most often it's the individual violent assault of (sometimes murder of) a person that they have felt themselves attracted to or who has perhaps indicated that they are attracted to them.

Let's not petend otherwise. Religion is a huge part of the problem. The other facilitating factor is the elephant in the room in the US... the far-too-easy access to high powered assault weaponry.

[Livia]

Terrorism.

That is all.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If the guy was a regular at the club, then it begins to take on the same profile as that previous attack by the married couple that attacked a place well known to them

This.

I don't think this was necessarily an attack on gays, just an attack on somewhere that he was familiar with.

[Glenn.]

It was an attack on gays.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It was an attack on gays. .

A terrorist attack on gays.

[Niamh.]

Not impressed with his fathers comments about the Night Club sharing some of the responsibility

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

This.

I don't think this was necessarily an attack on gays, just an attack on somewhere that he was familiar with.

The married couple knew the childcare facility yes, but how would a heterosexual man know a gay nightclub, if it was a random attack then why had he been there before?

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Livia

A terrorist attack on gays.

It was a terrorist attack on America. I think the fact it was a gay club is a huge red herring. It looks like it was somewhere that he hung out.

School shooters tend to shoot up their own school. The San Bernardino terrorists shot up their own workplace. And now it looks like this guy shot up the club that he frequented.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The married couple knew the childcare facility yes, but how would a heterosexual man know a gay nightclub, if it was a random attack then why had he been there before?

Because he was gay?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Because he was gay?

What makes you think he was gay?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Because he was gay?

Maybe, but he may also have frequented it to plan an attack? I guess we will find out in time, I don't really understand why people are trying to distance this from terrorism though, whether he received direct orders or was inspired by some loyalty to the cause terrorism was at its root

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Maybe, but he may also have frequented it to plan an attack? I guess we will find out in time, I don't really understand why people are trying to distance this from terrorism though, whether he received direct orders or was inspired by some loyalty to the cause terrorism was at its root

Who is trying to distance this from terrorism... Am I missing something?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The married couple knew the childcare facility yes, but how would a heterosexual man know a gay nightclub, if it was a random attack then why had he been there before?

He worked as a security guard and a lot of security companies are independents who work their guards on a booking system. He probably never worked there but as a security guard, its likely he'd heard a lot of his colleagues talking about it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not impressed with his fathers comments about the Night Club sharing some of the responsibility

Also, his comment that his son shouldn't have shot them because homosexuals will be punished by God was quite a disgusting comment two days after all those people lost their lives.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Also, his comment that his son shouldn't have shot them because homosexuals will be punished by God was quite a disgusting comment two days after all those people lost their lives.

Oh I didn't hear that one. That is revolting

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Also, his comment that his son shouldn't have shot them because homosexuals will be punished by God was quite a disgusting comment two days after all those people lost their lives.

Easy to see where his son got it from then

[user104658]

There's a fairly clear picture of what has actually caused him to snap here, in my opinion, and based on his comments, it is largely down to the father's beliefs and his enforcement of them. Just a few of these comments make it really obvious that this man created a very disturbed, dangerous individual... and that's almost certainly him "holding back" speaking in public. Imagine what has been said behind closed doors as this guy was growing up.

[joeysteele]

He likely is a terrorists sympathiser or even one himself, however his Dad said he had got mad at seeing 2 guys kissing in the street and that he was likely homophobic.

IS for instance would wipe gay communities off the face of the earth.
I agreed with Owen Jones on sky news, when he stormed off, rightly in my view,had this been against another grouping of the community, it would have been seen as an attack on them.

Terrorist incident or not,he chose to do this where he expected only the gay community to be,intertwined or not,it cannot and should not be belittled,just my opinion, as to how bad an attack this was predominantly on the gay community too.

An absolutely horrifying and sickening incident.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What makes you think he was gay?

He regularly attended a gay nightclub and had a profile on a gay dating app.

Raging clues.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He likely is a terrorists ympathiser or even one himself however his Dad said he had got mad at seeing 2 guys kissing in the street and that he was likely homophobic.

IS for instance would wipe gay communities off the face of the earth.
I agreed with Own Jones on sky news, when he stormed off, rightly in my view,had this been against another grouping of the community, it would have been seen as an attack on them.

Terrorist incident or not,he chose to do this where he expected only the gay community to be,intertwined or not,it cannot and should not be belittled as to how bad an attack this was predominantly on the gay community too.

An absolutely horrifying and sickening incident.

Yes I agree, clearly he specifically targeted a gay club as being gay is against their rules, you can see that from comments his father made

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh I didn't hear that one. That is revolting

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, it is a typical belief of the muslim community. Their Quran tells them that homosexuality is wrong.

This is why I get so confused at the LGBT community defending and campaigning for muslim refugees etc. They hate the LGBT community.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes I agree, clearly he specifically targeted a gay club as being gay is against their rules, you can see that from comments his father made

Then why did he have a profile on a gay dating app?