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Zizu · 04-01-2021, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

Jabby Mondays....has a ring to it.

They need a Bez dancing with maracas at each of the vaccine stations

Done ..

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Vanessa · 04-01-2021, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

Jabby Mondays....has a ring to it.
They need a Bez dancing with maracas at each of the vaccine stations

Withano · 04-01-2021, 11:32 AM

Why doesn’t it feel like light at the end of the tunnel yet

Ammi · 04-01-2021, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Withano

Why doesn’t it feel like light at the end of the tunnel yet

....the tunnel building was delayed because of COVID ...?...

Zizu · 04-01-2021, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

....the tunnel building was delayed because of COVID ...?...

Well we have ordered the materials for the bridge and they were supposed to have arrived but they haven’t ...

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Nicky91 · 04-01-2021, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano

Why doesn’t it feel like light at the end of the tunnel yet

i am feeling more and more optimistic now

and i do feel like we're getting to the light at the end of the tunnel

as long as people socially distance, stay home as much as they can, and there is enough vaccinating done to build up herd immunity

arista · 04-01-2021, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano

Why doesn’t it feel like light at the end of the tunnel yet

No

Big Fears the Oxford Vaccine can not stop
the New South African Varient Covid.

Blood tests in the Oxford Lab
being done now.

But Travel from South Africa has not been stopped?

Mystic Mock · 04-01-2021, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

No

Big Fears the Oxford Vaccine can not stop
the New South African Varient Covid.

Blood tests in the Oxford Lab
being done now.

But Travel from South Africa has not been stopped?

This is getting too much now.

Why are countries not shutting their borders with South Africa? If we can't vaccinate their variant then we (the rest of us) shouldn't be allowing them into our countries.

bots · 04-01-2021, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

This is getting too much now.

Why are countries not shutting their borders with South Africa? If we can't vaccinate their variant then we (the rest of us) shouldn't be allowing them into our countries.

they are all tested and quarantined ... thats all that is required

Mystic Mock · 04-01-2021, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they are all tested and quarantined ... thats all that is required

Apparently that was the case with the Italians and the Chinese that came into all of our countries and look at us now.

user104658 · 04-01-2021, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

No

Big Fears the Oxford Vaccine can not stop
the New South African Variant Covid.

Blood tests in the Oxford Lab
being done now.

But Travel from South Africa has not been stopped?

This was always the gamble of the traditional viral-vector vaccines (Oxford, Russian etc.) vs the newer, more expensive mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna). They are less likely to be as effective on new strains. They're likely to still be somewhat effective but might be a lower percentage (and thus no herd immunity).

HOWEVER even if they are still effective just in limiting severity, that's the biggest concern. If it still runs through the population but non-mild cases are extremely rare, then that's half the battle.

Zizu · 04-01-2021, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This was always the gamble of the traditional viral-vector vaccines (Oxford, Russian etc.) vs the newer, more expensive mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna). They are less likely to be as effective on new strains. They're likely to still be somewhat effective but might be a lower percentage (and thus no herd immunity).

HOWEVER even if they are still effective just in limiting severity, that's the biggest concern. If it still runs through the population but non-mild cases are extremely rare, then that's half the battle.

So OUR Oxford vaccine is likely to be one of the vaccines that will NOT be so effective against the SA variant ?

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bots · 04-01-2021, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

So OUR Oxford vaccine is likely to be one of the vaccines that will NOT be so effective against the SA variant ?

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the testing has only started on the new strain, no-one can possibly know yet whether it will be less effective or not. It's not a binary switch with these things. So, yes, it's another complexity, but its not all doom and gloom either. The media thrive on stuff like this and honestly, they have no idea what they are talking about

Zizu · 04-01-2021, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

No

Big Fears the Oxford Vaccine can not stop
the New South African Varient Covid.

Blood tests in the Oxford Lab
being done now.

But Travel from South Africa has not been stopped?

I just heard that last bit on LBC !!

This is pure madness ... they knew about the SA variant 10 to 14 days ago .. I presumed they’d stopped all flights from SA at that time !!!!

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Cherie · 04-01-2021, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

I just heard that last bit on LBC !!

This is pure madness ... they knew about the SA variant 10 to 14 days ago .. I presumed they’d stopped all flights from SA at that time !!!!

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#]

This is dated 24/12

BRITAIN has issued a ban on all travel from South Africa to halt the spread of a new, more infectious strain of coronavirus.

The Department of Transport last night confirmed that all passengers travelling from South Africa to England from 9am this morning would not be permitted to enter the country.

Zizu · 04-01-2021, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

#]

This is dated 24/12

BRITAIN has issued a ban on all travel from South Africa to halt the spread of a new, more infectious strain of coronavirus.

The Department of Transport last night confirmed that all passengers travelling from South Africa to England from 9am this morning would not be permitted to enter the country.

LBC presenter was just going mad after learning that flights coming from SA hadn’t stopped .. hopefully she has been misinformed and flights in had creased

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Mystic Mock · 04-01-2021, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

#]

This is dated 24/12

BRITAIN has issued a ban on all travel from South Africa to halt the spread of a new, more infectious strain of coronavirus.

The Department of Transport last night confirmed that all passengers travelling from South Africa to England from 9am this morning would not be permitted to enter the country.

That's good news.

Zizu · 04-01-2021, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

#]

This is dated 24/12

BRITAIN has issued a ban on all travel from South Africa to halt the spread of a new, more infectious strain of coronavirus.

The Department of Transport last night confirmed that all passengers travelling from South Africa to England from 9am this morning would not be permitted to enter the country.

That was dated 24/12 ...

Is this still in force though as LBC radio suggested otherwise earlier today

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smudgie · 04-01-2021, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

#]

This is dated 24/12

BRITAIN has issued a ban on all travel from South Africa to halt the spread of a new, more infectious strain of coronavirus.

The Department of Transport last night confirmed that all passengers travelling from South Africa to England from 9am this morning would not be permitted to enter the country.

Yep. A schoolteacher mate of my daughters went over to see his family.
After being advised not to.

bots · 04-01-2021, 01:50 PM

i think there is a lot of reason for optimism if we can ramp up the vaccination program. I don't believe it will happen as quickly as people are thinking it will though

user104658 · 04-01-2021, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think there is a lot of reason for optimism if we can ramp up the vaccination program. I don't believe it will happen as quickly as people are thinking it will though

My concern is that it's increasingly looking like the world is simply not going to keep up with the spread of the virus in terms of how fast they can roll out vaccination. Unsurprisingly, the quoted schedule was a lot of big talk and the vaccination rate isn't close to the numbers that were quoted and won't reach the numbers being quoted now any time soon. We knew this would be the case because we had exactly the same hot air about "how many tests would be done per day" less than 6 months ago.

bots · 04-01-2021, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My concern is that it's increasingly looking like the world is simply not going to keep up with the spread of the virus in terms of how fast they can roll out vaccination. Unsurprisingly, the quoted schedule was a lot of big talk and the vaccination rate isn't close to the numbers that were quoted and won't reach the numbers being quoted now any time soon. We knew this would be the case because we had exactly the same hot air about "how many tests would be done per day" less than 6 months ago.

the way the infection rate is rising at the moment, we will hit 100k per day by the end of January unless there is a severe lockdown. With a 100k a day rate, its not going to take much time until we reach saturation of those likely to get infected and the numbers are going to just drop on their own. I have a feeling this is the strategy Boris will follow. That then gives breathing space until it all kicks off again in the autumn

user104658 · 04-01-2021, 04:28 PM

The other consideration is %age of effectiveness. The faster a virus can spread, the larger the proportion of population higher efficacy is needed in the vaccine to be effective for herd immunity, so if the Oxford one is indeed lower...

Nicky91 · 04-01-2021, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The other consideration is %age of effectiveness. The faster a virus can spread, the larger the proportion of population higher efficacy is needed in the vaccine to be effective for herd immunity, so if the Oxford one is indeed lower...

who are the creators of the Oxford vaccine anyway?