[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well... You still believe, and I'm sure many still believe, but if you're claiming that everyone who considers themself to be "culturally Jewish" is actually religious or believes in God then you are just being economical with the truth.

When have I ever said I speak for every Jew? Maybe it's you being economical with the truth? I'm not the one wildly generalising about Jews.

The fact is, TS, if we were discussing Islamophobia people would be up in arms. But it's the Jews. And some people are genuinely unmoved by the fact that there is anti-Semitism in the country, let alone the Labour party.

I'm kind of tired of having it explained to me, and excuses made for it.

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the problem with jews is the whole god bollocks, if they would just admit there is not god then its quite a decent club

good food, humour, hard working, good family stuff (minus the child mutilation) and catchy music

We will know when Jeremy has turned a corner when he starts whistling fiddler on the roof

[Twosugars]

loads of Jews are not religious and it doesn't seem to make much difference

[Maru]

Report: Anti-Semitism rises, but violence against Jews falls
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04...ews-falls.html

TEL AVIV, Israel – Violent attacks on Jews worldwide dropped in 2017 despite a rise in other forms of anti-Semitism, researchers reported Wednesday, in a year characterized by normalization and mainstreaming of anti-Semitism not seen in Europe since World War II.

Researchers at Tel Aviv University said assaults specifically targeting Jews fell 9 percent last year. They recorded 327 cases compared to 361 in 2016, which had already been the lowest number in a decade.

But they noted attacks were far more brazen. Most dramatic were a pair of cases in France, where a Jewish woman was thrown to her death out of her apartment window and a Holocaust survivor was stabbed and burned to death in her Paris home.

Threats, harassment and insults have also driven thousands of French Jews to relocate.

"Neither the public nor the private space is perceived as safe for Jews," said Moshe Kantor, president of the European Jewish Congress, an umbrella group representing Jewish communities across the continent. "The general feeling shared by Jews, as individuals and as a community, is that anti-Semitism has entered a new phase, and is widespread in most parts of the world."

Tel Aviv University's Kantor Center for the Study of Contemporary European Jewry releases the report every year on the eve of Israel's Holocaust memorial day, which begins Wednesday at sundown.

Increased security measures are credited with reducing violence, but it may be masking a trend of anti-Semitism becoming more mainstream and acceptable, particularly in European politics. The report described a toxic triangle made up of the rise of the extreme right, radical Islamism and a heated anti-Zionist discourse on the left accompanied by anti-Semitic expressions.

"The religious dimension of classic, traditional anti-Semitism has returned, and the term 'Jew' has become an insult," Kantor said.

He noted that the majority of anti-Semitic incidents still went unreported, either out of fear of retribution or a lack of interest on the part of local authorities.

Despite the overall drop, anti-Semitism rose in many places globally. In Germany, home to the world's fastest growing Jewish community, there was a rise in anti-Semitic acts from 644 in 2016 to 707 in 2017. Among these were 24 violent cases in 2017, compared to 15 the year before.

Kantor also said that the ascendancy of British Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn led him to believe that "the banality and normalization of Jew-hatred has reached the highest levels."

Critics say Corbyn, a longtime critic of Israel, has long allowed anti-Jewish prejudice to go unchecked. Corbyn's supporters have been accused of sharing Holocaust denial and international Jewish banking conspiracies on social media. On Tuesday, Israel's Labor Party suspended its ties with Corbyn over his party's expressions of anti-Semitism.

The year was also marked by the deadly white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia — where demonstrators used the Heil Hitler salute, donned swastikas and chanted slogans such as "Jews will not replace us." Far-right parties gained strength following elections in Germany and Austria. U.S. President Donald Trump's December recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel also set off demonstrations that were used as a pretext to attack Jews with anti-Semitic slogans, including calls for murder.

The report cited an audit of the Anti-Defamation League that found anti-Semitic incidents in the United States rose 57 percent in 2017 — the largest single-year increase on record and the second highest number reported since the ADL started tracking such data in 1979. The sharp rise was due in part to a significant increase in incidents in schools and on college campuses, which nearly doubled for the second year in a row.

The rising threat appears to be drawing growing interest.

Israel recently hosted a global forum to address the various ways of combatting anti-Semitism that drew experts from around the world. Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial says there has been wide participation in its recently launched online course on the origins of anti-Semitism.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Maru

Report: Anti-Semitism rises, but violence against Jews falls
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04...ews-falls.html

Thanks for this Maru.

It is really informative.

[Kazanne]

Why do some people dislike Jews anyway ? I just don't get it the ones I have met have always been very gentle, caring people, What do some have against them?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why do some people dislike Jews anyway ? I just don't get it the ones I have met have always been very gentle, caring people, What do some have against them?

I have my own theory on that Kaz.

I think some type of subliminal genetic memory may be in all of us that the Jews are 'God's Chosen People' - a type of unconscious resentment.

Added to this, of course, is the fact that the Jewish people - speaking GENERALLY, of course, 'don't want no shet-storm' to ensue - are exceptionally hard-working and throughout history have excelled in business and commerce and other fields.

More recently, of course, is the fact that it seems to bother a LOT of people that from Screen-Writers to Actors through Directors and Producers, Jewish people EXCEL in Hollywood, the film industry and theatre.

Such people accuse Jewish people of CONTROLLING Hollywood etc, but there is a difference in Dominating by Excellence and Controlling.

I really do believe that JEALOUSY in ALL its forms is one of THE biggest hidden causes of trouble at all levels in this sad world.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why do some people dislike Jews anyway ? I just don't get it the ones I have met have always been very gentle, caring people, What do some have against them?

i think there are many possible reasons. The most obvious being that they belong to a group that has an identity that others can't be a member of

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think there are many possible reasons. The most obvious being that they belong to a group that has an identity that others can't be a member of

A GREAT point BOTS and one which I did not think about. I believe that it is a prime reason.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why do some people dislike Jews anyway ? I just don't get it the ones I have met have always been very gentle, caring people, What do some have against them?

...because they make the best chicken soup ..(...apparently../..allegedly etc...)...unless that recipe is shared to all non Jews as well, I have no time for them at all...selfish is what it is...

[Livia]

I've been disgusted by some of the posts on this thread. But maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I was repeatedly abused by a user when I first joined here and nothing was done. There are some posts on here that give me hope, but it's the ones explaining why the Jews have nothing to complain about.

Having just returned from ANOTHER ban some of the comments on here have convinced me that I need a break from here... maybe a very long one. Nothing changes, nothing gets done and the people who get their jollies from being rude and bigoted - and yet accuse others of being bigoted if muslims or travellers are mentioned - are protected. I'm tired of this.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've been disgusted by some of the posts on this thread. But maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I was repeatedly abused by a user when I first joined here and nothing was done. There are some posts on here that give me hope, but it's the ones explaining why the Jews have nothing to complain about.

Having just returned from ANOTHER ban some of the comments on here have convinced me that I need a break from here... maybe a very long one. Nothing changes, nothing gets done and the people who get their jollies from being rude and bigoted - and yet accuse others of being bigoted if muslims or travellers are mentioned - are protected. I'm tired of this.

Many agree with you Liv and are also very tired of it. You are right nothing changes and it is demoralising. A break is good as it clears your head and can rejuvenate you - but I hope you make it a short one as you are a valued member and many will truly miss you.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've been disgusted by some of the posts on this thread. But maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I was repeatedly abused by a user when I first joined here and nothing was done. There are some posts on here that give me hope, but it's the ones explaining why the Jews have nothing to complain about.

Having just returned from ANOTHER ban some of the comments on here have convinced me that I need a break from here... maybe a very long one. Nothing changes, nothing gets done and the people who get their jollies from being rude and bigoted - and yet accuse others of being bigoted if muslims or travellers are mentioned - are protected. I'm tired of this.

i honestly thought things were going to change, but it seems to have been just words to placate until the dust settled

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i honestly thought things were going to change, but it seems to have been just words to placate until the dust settled

I think many did. The whole handling of it has been patronising and unprofessional.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i honestly thought things were going to change, but it seems to have been just words to placate until the dust settled

Its up to us to make sure the dust doesn't settle and get brushed under the carpet

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've been disgusted by some of the posts on this thread. But maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I was repeatedly abused by a user when I first joined here and nothing was done. There are some posts on here that give me hope, but it's the ones explaining why the Jews have nothing to complain about.

Having just returned from ANOTHER ban some of the comments on here have convinced me that I need a break from here... maybe a very long one. Nothing changes, nothing gets done and the people who get their jollies from being rude and bigoted - and yet accuse others of being bigoted if muslims or travellers are mentioned - are protected. I'm tired of this.

You will be missed Livia. I've never seen anything your posts that deserve any kind of ban. I see far ruder and more aggressive posts get away with it than anything I've ever seen from you.

[Cherie]

What a shame Livia, but I can't say I blame you at all

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You will be missed Livia. I've never seen anything your posts that deserve any kind of ban. I see far ruder and more aggressive posts get away with it than anything I've ever seen from you.

Aint that the truth

[lime]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've been disgusted by some of the posts on this thread. But maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I was repeatedly abused by a user when I first joined here and nothing was done. There are some posts on here that give me hope, but it's the ones explaining why the Jews have nothing to complain about.

Having just returned from ANOTHER ban some of the comments on here have convinced me that I need a break from here... maybe a very long one. Nothing changes, nothing gets done and the people who get their jollies from being rude and bigoted - and yet accuse others of being bigoted if muslims or travellers are mentioned - are protected. I'm tired of this.

Ah feck Livia...Don't go

Your stronger than this

Myself and yourself have varying opions on many subjects...but an honest opinion is a valid opinion

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've been disgusted by some of the posts on this thread. But maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I was repeatedly abused by a user when I first joined here and nothing was done. There are some posts on here that give me hope, but it's the ones explaining why the Jews have nothing to complain about.

Having just returned from ANOTHER ban some of the comments on here have convinced me that I need a break from here... maybe a very long one. Nothing changes, nothing gets done and the people who get their jollies from being rude and bigoted - and yet accuse others of being bigoted if muslims or travellers are mentioned - are protected. I'm tired of this.

Livia, I do understand where you are coming from. I don't wish to see you go, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't consider doing the same thing. I think some of your feelings of frustration you've cited here are contagious. For me, it's because I agree with what TS mentioned. We have to find balance and coordinate our thoughts towards more positive (i.e. as in meaningful) things. Not just simply keep reintroducing/reinforcing the same negative thought patterns... I don't think people return here for the drama. The main problem with TiBB atm for me is that because there is such a recycling of drama, that it feels like I'm "risking" my peaceful state of mind every time I leave a post here. Will my words too be misconstrued? Will I too be spat at for those words? The feeling for me is that the trolling has gotten out of hand and that this place has felt too risky at times to share my thoughts and experiences in any sort of meaningful way.

I'm just very saddened we won't have the time to get to know each other better, the way I'd gotten to know some others. You and a handful of others are literally the only reason I return. You are at the top of that list. If you leave or others start leaving, then my "grip" and desire to return to this place is effectively loosened as the only reason I keep continuing at all is because of the people whose thoughts I enjoy reading and conversing with every day on here.

I know I don't spend as much time on here as I'd like, partially for the reasons stated above, but I can't abide you remaining if you yourself are feeling personally targeted and that making you feel so miserable in that way. Again I think that feeling is contagious, as more than a fair few here have already said something is amiss for them. Those concerns are coming from many different ends I think... I think you and others have already expressed your views and had them validated in that respect.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've been disgusted by some of the posts on this thread. But maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I was repeatedly abused by a user when I first joined here and nothing was done. There are some posts on here that give me hope, but it's the ones explaining why the Jews have nothing to complain about.

Having just returned from ANOTHER ban some of the comments on here have convinced me that I need a break from here... maybe a very long one. Nothing changes, nothing gets done and the people who get their jollies from being rude and bigoted - and yet accuse others of being bigoted if muslims or travellers are mentioned - are protected. I'm tired of this.

Don't you dare walk away, why let the people who target you win ?

[user104658]

I can take a stab at what you were banned for Livia and being fair all I can really say is... If anyone finds their blood-pressure being raised by this place and real anger starting to spill over then it's time to have a rethink or take a step back. And that's not me being high-horsey, it's from very recent personal experience.

[Parmy]

Dont go liv....

[Kazanne]

Livia,please don't you even think about leaving , some of us DO see the injustice of some of the stuff on here , but don't let people drive you away ,that's what they want, just ignore them ,you are a respected poster on here by many, we can't really afford to lose good posters we have lost so many already, Please reconsider.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Livia,please don't you even think about leaving , some of us DO see the injustice of some of the stuff on here , but don't let people drive you away ,that's what they want, just ignore them ,you are a respected poster on here by many, we can't really afford to lose good posters we have lost so many already, Please reconsider.

Seconded .... This place needs good people like Livia