[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I was 9 Goldheart and I told my brother on the same day it happened,so to leave it for 2 decades is strange to me,I don't think there is any need for the graphic details either .

I was 9-12 he was 16-19, I though we had something special. I didn’t want to tell anyone. I wouldn’t say I loved him but I guess our friendship was special over our years together. Wasn’t until I grew up I realised what a freak he was.
Two completely different experiences.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I was 9 Goldheart and I told my brother on the same day it happened,so to leave it for 2 decades is strange to me,I don't think there is any need for the graphic details either .

And that's young you're only a child but you knew it was still wrong . Plus you didn't deny it and then later say yes it actually happened . I always thought it would be too upsetting to go in full details about what happened, but apparently not for these 2 guys I guess the auto cue or scripts help them recover .

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah anything that traumatic I agree you'd tell someone or at least show warning signs, but as you say every experience is different. But non of their stories add up.

It’s not traumatic to be groomed. That’s the whole point of being groomed. Once you understand that their stories add up

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

It’s not traumatic to be groomed. That’s the whole point of being groomed. Once you understand that their stories add up

BS , there's graphic details of sexual abuse so I'm pretty sure even if you were "groomed" you'd be scared as a child if something that graphic happened or you .

[UserSince2005]

The only thing troubling to me is how wade as an adult can lie in court against someone who is crying out the truth. But that is a deep personality flaw on his part. Almost psychopathic to be able to do that. The other guy knew right from wrong. I can understand him not being ready to talk about it so shutting it all down

[Good King Glennceslas]

Can you imagine what he did to poor little bubbles

[Christmas Dynasnow]

All in all a depressing watch but of course now looking back it all adds up

utterly disgusting and as for the 2 mothers? well words fail me

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

All in all a depressing watch but of course now looking back it all adds up

utterly disgusting and as for the 2 mothers? well words fail me

They enjoyed the Luxury
of it all.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

All in all a depressing watch but of course now looking back it all adds up

utterly disgusting and as for the 2 mothers? well words fail me

The parents are victims too.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

All in all a depressing watch but of course now looking back it all adds up

utterly disgusting and as for the 2 mothers? well words fail me

James mother at least seemed to really blame herself, Wades mother on the other hand , bloody hell, it's no wonder it took him so long to admit what happened

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

James mother at least seemed to really blame herself, Wades mother on the other hand , bloody hell, it's no wonder it took him so long to admit what happened

I thought it was the other way around? . It was Wade's mother who had been sort of cut off from the older brother etc. who was struggling to forgive her and expressed that she was struggling to forgive herself. James' mother seemed to have come to terms with it to a much larger degree.

[Twosugars]

Sad how desperate some people are for money.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

But you dont understand, he is a child himself and he just wants to be around young boys (not girls) as he loves their vulnerable innocent youth. Yes he sleeps with them but nothing happens

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But you dont understand, he is a child himself and he just wants to be around young boys (not girls) as he loves their vulnerable innocent youth. Yes he sleeps with them but nothing happens

Yes Sadly he did Wrong.
Now Dead
And Sony/BMG now own most of his Hits

[Kazanne]

Why would he in all honesty do the exact same thing after the turmoil he went through with the first court case, it almost ruined his career, so why would he go back there and risk it all again, If he was this clever bloke that set all this grooming etc up ,why on Gods earth would he risk all that again

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why would he in all honesty do the exact same thing after the turmoil he went through with the first court case, it almost ruined his career, so why would he go back there and risk it all again, If he was this clever bloke that set all this grooming etc up ,why on Gods earth would he risk all that again

Flip that question around;

Why would he continue to have close, questionable friendships with more children knowing what happened with Jordan Chandler? If they were just innocent friendships that he enjoyed, why wouldn't he say "I know people think it looked bad the last time" and change his way of doing things. And it's not even that he couldn't still befriend children, but why wouldn't he take precautions e.g. always have the kid's parents or another adult around to witness that everything was OK, if any kids sleep over always sleep in separate rooms, just general safeguarding.

Why wouldn't he do that? Unless he had a compulsive reason to want to be alone with children that he wasn't able to keep in check.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Flip that question around;

Why would he continue to have close, questionable friendships with more children knowing what happened with Jordan Chandler? If they were just innocent friendships that he enjoyed, why wouldn't he say "I know people think it looked bad the last time" and change his way of doing things. And it's not even that he couldn't still befriend children, but why wouldn't he take precautions e.g. always have the kid's parents or another adult around to witness that everything was OK, if any kids sleep over always sleep in separate rooms, just general safeguarding.

Why wouldn't he do that? Unless he had a compulsive reason to want to be alone with children that he wasn't able to keep in check.

The reason he carried on doing it was because he was arrogant ... MJ knew he had the power and the money to buy himself out of every situation he got himself into

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

The reason he carried on doing it was because he was arrogant ... MJ knew he had the power and the money to buy himself out of every situation he got himself into

You don't know he was arrogant Chuff,I always found him kinda shy,but I suppose to some that would all be an act, people are just sumising about what they THINK he would do.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You don't know he was arrogant Chuff,I always found him kinda shy,but I suppose to some that would all be an act, people are just sumising about what they THINK he would do.

I always believed (and still do ) that the shy, simple man/boy Peter Pan thing was fake and a way to draw children in and their parents to believe their children were safe with him

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

The reason he carried on doing it was because he was arrogant ... MJ knew he had the power and the money to buy himself out of every situation he got himself into

Also most pedos who actually get convicted reoffend so I don't know why they think MJ would stop just because he's rich? Surely that would make him less likely to stop?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also most pedos who actually get convicted reoffend so I don't know why they think MJ would stop just because he's rich? Surely that would make him less likely to stop?

gary glitter being an obvious example

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also most pedos who actually get convicted reoffend so I don't know why they think MJ would stop just because he's rich? Surely that would make him less likely to stop?

Rolf Harris caught in a school playground after his release ............Say no more

[chuff me dizzy]

I would like to know if the bank showed all the cheques La Toya claimed she saw her Mother write to parents of some children

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why would he in all honesty do the exact same thing after the turmoil he went through with the first court case, it almost ruined his career, so why would he go back there and risk it all again, If he was this clever bloke that set all this grooming etc up ,why on Gods earth would he risk all that again

See I see this from the otherside.

Lets assume it was all about money and that..ans there really was nothing to any of it.

Why, after having experience of extortion, and people making up 'vile lies' to try and pressure him to pay...would he then do the exact same thing again, pout himself into nthe same situation again where it was possible for some other 'vile father; or whatever to claim again? Honestly, if you had some odd habits, lets say you befriended random kids like some lady on our street did and took them to yours for hour long knitting sessions (this is actually true..I have fond memories of that ) because they were bored. Many people found this odd, but if it had been a bloke they would have found it odder, lets admit. So, lets say this woman was wealthy..very wealthy, and one of our parents saw a way to make some easy money, so made up a load of stuff about how we were really learning bondage techniques or something, knitting underwear and parading it or something similar. Surely, the woman would not take in random kids into her house after this. Especially...if a second parent then did the same thing. Or she would, you know, make sure there was another adult there at the least, that kind of thing. She would not keep taking random children into her house for hours, with the curtains usually shut. At the very very least, lets say she really really wanted to keep knitting with random kids, she would do so, on the lawn outside or something, so there were witnesses, so noone could come out with stuff to extort her?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

See I see this from the otherside.

Lets assume it was all about money and that..ans there really was nothing to any of it.

Why, after having experience of extortion, and people making up 'vile lies' to try and pressure him to pay...would he then do the exact same thing again, pout himself into nthe same situation again where it was possible for some other 'vile father; or whatever to claim again? Honestly, if you had some odd habits, lets say you befriended random kids like some lady on our street did and took them to yours for hour long knitting sessions (this is actually true..I have fond memories of that ) because they were bored. Many people found this odd, but if it had been a bloke they would have found it odder, lets admit. So, lets say this woman was wealthy..very wealthy, and one of our parents saw a way to make some easy money, so made up a load of stuff about how we were really learning bondage techniques or something, knitting underwear and parading it or something similar. Surely, the woman would not take in random kids into her house after this. Especially...if a second parent then did the same thing. Or she would, you know, make sure there was another adult there at the least, that kind of thing. She would not keep taking random children into her house for hours, with the curtains usually shut. At the very very least, lets say she really really wanted to keep knitting with random kids, she would do so, on the lawn outside or something, so there were witnesses, so noone could come out with stuff to extort her?

Exactly. The only logical explanation that he carried on doing what he was doing is because he had a compulsion that he needed to satisfy that couldn't have witnesses