[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Something that confused me .... Bran said the night king had sent many 3 eyed raven to try and kill Bran already. I don't even remember 1 having a good poke at him and isn't he now the 3 eyed raven .... i know he is meant to be an enigma ..... but unless ive somehow blacked it out, i can't make sense of that at all

U misheard. He said that the Night King has tried to wipe out the Three Eyed Raven many times before / has killed many previous iterations of the Three Eyed Raven (e.g. The previous one in the "Hooo'do'door! Episode) but has always been too late (with the abilities being passed on to the next host before he killed the previous one). He wants the Three Eyed Raven (Bran) GONE and probably is aware that this time, there's definitely no chance of him having trained up a replacement yet, so if Bran dies the Raven dies forever.

Regarding Little Sam... I think the sacrifice being missed is mostly at the time when the white walkers started moving south is mostly coincidence; it's definitely not their REASON for marching, and I can't see the Night King being all that bothered, although he may want to take the kid "on principle" and send one of his WW "generals" to fetch the kid, in which case yes I can see Sam killing another White Walker... Though I'd guess he'll save Gilly and Little Sam (and the others in the crypt) but will possibly die himself doing so.

[Nicky91]

great buildup second episode towards the ''battle of winterfell''

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The White Walker threat's definitely ending in the next episode though, I think. There's too much drama in the battle for the throne for the white walkers to kick around all season. We'll get a huge spectacle of a battle in the next episode and then they'll shank the Night King, kill off his hordes and set the stage for a potential three way battle between what's left of the Starks, Dany's forces and Cersei.

I can't see that happening, it'd be too neatly tied up, the first scene of GoT was about the white walkers, they've always been the true threat.

I think we're going to see a sizable portion of the dead attack Winterfell, while the Night King heads for King's Landing, to turn the city. These past few seasons have been littered with hints about it, telling us how more people live in KL than the whole North of Westeros.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

If you can predict it, it’s not going to happen

Well yes this is probably true

Also I have been reminded elsewhere that the white walkers were causing **** long before Gilly had the baby, as in the first scene they massacred loads of people. So my theory is totally dead, but I would still love it. Or for Sam to be the one to end the war at least

[Vicky.]

Issue is, if they have 'split up' then the North cannot win the war at all as the only way to do that is to kill the night king. If hes buggered off down Kings landing, then the North have no chance at all besides just...running. Then maybe they all do haver to fight together, against Cerseis wishes but she will have no choice, and another huge battle with them all against TNK and his army happens in Kings landing. Mind I reckon Cersei will make people go out and kill the main characters during this. She won't fight fair. Even if it means TNK wins, she will NOT give up the throne.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Dia.

I can't see that happening, it'd be too neatly tied up, the first scene of GoT was about the white walkers, they've always been the true threat.

I think we're going to see a sizable portion of the dead attack Winterfell, while the Night King heads for King's Landing, to turn the city. These past few seasons have been littered with hints about it, telling us how more people live in KL than the whole North of Westeros.

I dunno, even now, you've got characters more preoccupied with the throne than the Night King and the fact they've made a point of emphasising the fact that they can take out the army in one fell swoop is telling. Weakening the White Walkers at this point tells me they won't be sticking around for the rest of the season.

The White Walkers are all spectacle and no substance, we'll get this big glorious battle with them in the next episode and the last three will be based around the final battles for the throne.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Issue is, if they have 'split up' then the North cannot win the war at all as the only way to do that is to kill the night king. If hes buggered off down Kings landing, then the North have no chance at all besides just...running. Then maybe they all do haver to fight together, against Cerseis wishes but she will have no choice, and another huge battle with them all against TNK and his army happens in Kings landing. Mind I reckon Cersei will make people go out and kill the main characters during this. She won't fight fair. Even if it means TNK wins, she will NOT give up the throne.

There's still four more episodes to go, I reckon they will win the battle at Winterfell, only to realise there's about a million dead on the march from the South, Cersei and the Golden Company will probably escape via Euron's fleet, but I dunno if I could see her teaming up with Winterfell.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dia.

I can't see that happening, it'd be too neatly tied up, the first scene of GoT was about the white walkers, they've always been the true threat.

I think we're going to see a sizable portion of the dead attack Winterfell, while the Night King heads for King's Landing, to turn the city. These past few seasons have been littered with hints about it, telling us how more people live in KL than the whole North of Westeros.

The issue there is that it's been confirmed that the battle of Winterfell (ep3/4) is the biggest and longest battle of the season / the show / any show which doesn't make sense if the Night King himself and a chunk of his army are headed further south to turn King's Landing into an even larger army. That would suggest an even bigger battle to come in episodes 5/6 and we know that isn't the case.

The only real way it could be true is if that final battle occurs mostly off-screen with a small "fellowship style" group going after the Night King. But that wouldn't really be Game of Thrones style tbh.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Dia.

There's still four more episodes to go, I reckon they will win the battle at Winterfell, only to realise there's about a million dead on the march from the South, Cersei and the Golden Company will probably escape via Euron's fleet, but I dunno if I could see her teaming up with Winterfell.

How will they win, when everyone who dies will be on the opposing side and the only way to kill them all at once is to stake the night king though? I would love to think they win somehow, but if the night king is on his way elsewhere, I can't see it. I also can't see all the characters currently there dying either though, so all I can think if this is whats going on, is that there is a huge battle, then they realise its impossible, as they cant find TNK so decide to leg it instead (the dead seem to take ages to move). It also kind of makes Bran/the raven even more bloody pointless, as at least it gave him purpose, if the night king would come for him..and he could be bait.

[MTVN]

Yeah Bran confirmed that he is the main target for the NK so it wouldn't make sense for him to just stroll past Winterfell and head down to Kings Landing instead

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The issue there is that it's been confirmed that the battle of Winterfell (ep3/4) is the biggest and longest battle of the season / the show / any show which doesn't make sense if the Night King himself and a chunk of his army are headed further south to turn King's Landing into an even larger army. That would suggest an even bigger battle to come in episodes 5/6 and we know that isn't the case.

The only real way it could be true is if that final battle occurs mostly off-screen with a small "fellowship style" group going after the Night King. But that wouldn't really be Game of Thrones style tbh.

Well, given the director who usually does the battles

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is doing episode 5, there is another battle to come

I think the idea is the second battle would be unwinnable, and they have to think outside the box. I also think there is a lot more to the Night King and the Three Eyed Raven than we are lead to believe. The whole idea of the show is how pointless the Game of Thrones was, that, if people hadn't thrown away so many lives in previous battles over a chair, they could have easily won against the Night King.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah Bran confirmed that he is the main target for the NK so it wouldn't make sense for him to just stroll past Winterfell and head down to Kings Landing instead

The Night King is also not foolish enough to walk into an obvious trap, lol.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Smithy

My theory
in the original Great War against the walkers there’s no way the first men would have stopped them, so some agreement must have been made, presumably involving sacrifice to them (via Craster or whatever) over time that deal has been forgotten and broken and now they’re marching to kill everyone because the deal was broken. The NK only started collecting an army and marching AFTER Sam and Gilly escaped with the baby, before that the only time the white walkers killed was probably when wildling encroached on their territory

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well tbh, the only reason the walkers are kicking off is coz someone stole the baby sacrifice from them. I half expect a few deaths and a big fight, ending with the night king just going into the crypts, offing gilly and sam and taking what was promised to him, then leaving calmly, stepping over a few dead main characters on the way I only just realised last night that they only started going mental when Gilly ran away with the baby

OR, he kills Gilly, takes the baby not realising Sams down there, and Sam shoves dragonglass into his back, killing another walker and ending the war when he thought he went down there to run away. That would be mint

Wonder what made you realize that

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Wonder what made you realize that

Oops, I actually didn'r read that I don't think..I don't remember if I did anyway

Was just one of those annoying things that pops into your head when you are trying to sleep and won't go away so you end up up at stupid bloody times I might have skim read that and my brain processed it late, or something..lol

[Smithy]

Idg how y’all think the whole undead thing will be over after the next episode when this is what the story has been building too for seven seasons

I think the lose the battle at winterfell but take out a large chunk of the NK’s army, in the trailer for the season you see Jon and Dany at

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Dragonstone, so clearly they both survive

I think the castle takes too much damage/burns down so everyone has to flee, but how/if other people make it there with them is a guess.

Maybe the NK will take the south and then ep 5 is another battle against the dead

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Oops, I actually didn'r read that I don't think..I don't remember if I did anyway

Was just one of those annoying things that pops into your head when you are trying to sleep and won't go away so you end up up at stupid bloody times I might have skim read that and my brain processed it late, or something..lol

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Dia.

The Night King is also not foolish enough to walk into an obvious trap, lol.

Well yes, the idea that he will just randomly be alone in the godswood ripe for the picking and TNK will fall for that is pretty ****ing stupid. BUT, he could send in a load of minions to draw out anyone around. Then strike I guess.

I don't get why he would focus on Bran, unless my earlier theory, that Bran could kind of go back in time and control the night king somehow is true. I wonder if this was meant to be 'taught' to him but the night king killed the other raven too quickly. Could be that its the raven that has kept war away, but they lose control every now and again and thats when they get killed by him or something? IDK, the whole Raven storyline is so weird, and theres so much focus on it that surely it has to be important in some way, but the only thing its done so far is kill bloody Hodor!

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

How will they win, when everyone who dies will be on the opposing side and the only way to kill them all at once is to stake the night king though? I would love to think they win somehow, but if the night king is on his way elsewhere, I can't see it. I also can't see all the characters currently there dying either though, so all I can think if this is whats going on, is that there is a huge battle, then they realise its impossible, as they cant find TNK so decide to leg it instead (the dead seem to take ages to move). It also kind of makes Bran/the raven even more bloody pointless, as at least it gave him purpose, if the night king would come for him..and he could be bait.

It’s not like an automatic death and then resurrection though, in hardhome it was only after Jon and that had fled that the NK resurrected then all. So if people are burning etc they won’t be easily brought back

[Smithy]

Are we all here for bran warging into Viserion

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Dia.

The Night King is also not foolish enough to walk into an obvious trap, lol.

Nope, and btw it is like chess, Night King will definitely use his pawns (some soldiers first) for them to waste most of their dragonglass

and then the stronger army will most likely come (Giants, Night King with his dragon) still soldiers with their generals this time around



and honestly what i've noticed too in ep2, they said crypts is the safest place of winterfell like 5 times and i am thinking that isn't gonna be the safest place by far

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the dead starks lay there right, maybe they are gonna wake up when night king comes closer and closer to them

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

It’s not like an automatic death and then resurrection though, in hardhome it was only after Jon and that had fled that the NK resurrected then all. So if people are burning etc they won’t be easily brought back

I would assume it could be..if he just kept doing whatever it is he does to raise them

Also as the battle goes on, there will be more fallen people so he could just wait unti;l numbers are about even, then raise all the fallen from Winterfell so they are massively outnumbered again.

Honestly, I have never felt so..into a TV show, ever before. This series has me utterly hooked, even though the first couple of episodes have been a snooze really. Pretty much the only parts I have enjoyed is Brans line 'the things we do for love' when Jaime was trying to pledge allegance, and Brienne being knighted. I feel they could easily have fit the important bits into one episode and cut out the filler. However at the same time, I feel they are rushing some of the storylines a bit. So I guess they can't win with me really

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I think the castle takes too much damage/burns down so everyone has to flee, but how/if other people make it there with them is a guess.

Maybe the NK will take the south and then ep 5 is another battle against the dead

Thats my working theory at the minute tbh. They realise they cannot win so do the sensible thing and flee, knowing the dead are slow as **** for whatever reason so it will take a while to catch up. I don't think decimating the dead army will matter much in the grand scheme of things as again, the dead from Winterfell will just be raised and fight for the other side.

After fleeing, possibly to dragonstone which would be the LAST place TNK wants to be given its a place made of stuff that can kill him (really, everyone should have just moved there, or across the sea and left this land to the dead ) so turns his attetion to KL. At which stage Cersei ****s herself a bit as this means the army she is assembling to kill Danys will have to fight the dead first. But the North lot show up during that battle and somehow it is won. Final battle, for the throne.

Just because we have been told episode 3 is the big battle, that doesn't mean theres not a hell of a lot more to come. I look forward so much to this ep because the battle of the bastards was absolutely amazing and seemed so realistic too, and apparently this one has took like twice as long (or more) to film so should be amazing.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would assume it could be..if he just kept doing whatever it is he does to raise them

Also as the battle goes on, there will be more fallen people so he could just wait unti;l numbers are about even, then raise all the fallen from Winterfell so they are massively outnumbered again.

Honestly, I have never felt so..into a TV show, ever before. This series has me utterly hooked, even though the first couple of episodes have been a snooze really. Pretty much the only parts I have enjoyed is Brans line 'the things we do for love' when Jaime was trying to pledge allegance, and Brienne being knighted. I feel they could easily have fit the important bits into one episode and cut out the filler. However at the same time, I feel they are rushing some of the storylines a bit. So I guess they can't win with me really

Tbf, he’ll be riding a dragon, which takes a lot of concentration, so he might be too busy to raise them

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

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the dead starks lay there right, maybe they are gonna wake up when night king comes closer and closer to them

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BUT can he raise any dead, or just recently deceased?

Mind the fact that they are all making out the crypts are safe as **** makes me think something will happen.

An one of the books, its mentioned that there may be dragon eggs burried under winterfell. As it seems the dragons only came into being because 'magic' grew (this is more clear in the books too IMO) so..I have a slight thought that when winterfell burns (as we know it will) the eggs will hatch, and more dragons.

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[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats my working theory at the minute tbh. They realise they cannot win so do the sensible thing and flee, knowing the dead are slow as **** for whatever reason so it will take a while to catch up. I don't think decimating the dead army will matter much in the grand scheme of things as again, the dead from Winterfell will just be raised and fight for the other side.

After fleeing, possibly to dragonstone which would be the LAST place TNK wants to be given its a place made of stuff that can kill him (really, everyone should have just moved there, or across the sea and left this land to the dead ) so turns his attetion to KL. At which stage Cersei ****s herself a bit as this means the army she is assembling to kill Danys will have to fight the dead first. But the North lot show up during that battle and somehow it is won. Final battle, for the throne.

Just because we have been told episode 3 is the big battle, that doesn't mean theres not a hell of a lot more to come. I look forward so much to this ep because the battle of the bastards was absolutely amazing and seemed so realistic too, and apparently this one has took like twice as long (or more) to film so should be amazing.

Yeah, episode 5 is definitely a battle too, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was as big or bigger than battle for winterfell as it will be the *final* battle for everything