[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's pretty obvious the way it's all heading. If the numbers don't come down within a couple of weeks, they will go back to the support bubble stage. I can see December/January being pretty much closed down and I think they need to look at schools opening over the summer and closing over the winter

I don't think that's a terrible idea for schools, actually. Have more of the US structure (fewer breaks through the year, one long three to four month break - similar to Universities as well) but inverted so that the long break is November to February. I could probably get on board with that. I find the structure of school breaks a bit too scattered in general and have always said they should have a longer Christmas break and get rid of the October and Easter ones (just have them as long 4-day weekends).

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Next Time
tell the Pilot First.




[A man with serious breathing issues says he
was "ambushed" into wearing a face covering on a plane.
EasyJet has apologised after one of its pilots was filmed
threatening to remove the passenger from the flight.
The man was carrying an exemption card - but it was rejected
by the crew on his journey from Jersey to Gatwick.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54075771

IF the exemption card is officially backed by a Doctor's name and official medical stamp.
Fair enough.

Although why anyone with serious breathing issues would even be thinking of getting on a plane, never mind doing so, is frankly beyond me.

In fact I'd doubt any Doctor would advise anyone with serious breathing issues to get on a plane either.

[Ammi]

...(..I think...)...as much as possible with some school restrictions and temporary closures etc...and because there will possibly be frequent times when a bubble is missing lessons etc, through having to be quarantined...?...through the autumn/winter term seasons...the lesson time that would have been used on things like Harvest Festival rehearsals../..Christmas Productions rehearsals etc...will and should be used for catch up to essential learning...I mean, that’s was the primary importance of schools reopening and being full size and full time classes again...that the children’s education was being damaged, which obviously it was...so I personally think that would be more of a solution...to keep the break sizes as they are but to look at how that lesson time for more ‘family events’ which can’t go ahead in the same way...can be used for inevitable catch up time for many children and their school...

[Strictly Jake]

An expert was on this morning a couple of weeks ago, saying with all the social distancing, mask wearing, sanitizer, screens etc it wont only help covid it will also help with other things like cold, flu and bugs.....


Well guess what....within a week of my kids having to go back to "normal" as its safe.....and bearing in mind they werent ill at all the whole of lockdown....my son is full of a cold from nursery, lots of other kids at the nursery have colds, my sister who works there has caught a sickness bug

My daughter in year 1 is full of a cold as are the majority of her class

My 5 month old baby who hadnt caught any sort of illness....now full of a cold! He didnt sleep a wink last night!

There are kids in other years of the school with colds too


So with all the precautions in place...and its been just 1 week....it cant even stop colds spreading like wildfire.....how it is going to stop covid spreading?!


I honestly think everything in place just hasnt worked as there are too many u turns here and there, it is confusing, people are being pressured to go to work and school and told it is safe. Yet cases and deaths have now gone up

I dont know what the real solution is to it all but whatever we have in place now isnt working.

[arista]

Schools are safe as it can be.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...(..I think...)...as much as possible with some school restrictions and temporary closures etc...and because there will possibly be frequent times when a bubble is missing lessons etc, through having to be quarantined...?...through the autumn/winter term seasons...the lesson time that would have been used on things like Harvest Festival rehearsals../..Christmas Productions rehearsals etc...will and should be used for catch up to essential learning...I mean, that’s was the primary importance of schools reopening and being full size and full time classes again...that the children’s education was being damaged, which obviously it was...so I personally think that would be more of a solution...to keep the break sizes as they are but to look at how that lesson time for more ‘family events’ which can’t go ahead in the same way...can be used for inevitable catch up time for many children and their school...

I actually think the opposite Ammi . I feel that by-the-numbers learning can happen at any time (even a fully grown adult can quite easily catch up on primary school level maths etc.) whereas the more "vibrant" social learning and engagement is irreplaceable and absolutely what was "missing" during lockdown and remote learning. Maybe that's coming from a biased perspective though, at both ends of the scale. Traditional learning is easy for my eldest and irrelevant for my youngest. I guess it's kids who are already struggling to keep up in mainstream classes who would suffer in academic terms. Though tbh I'm inclined to think that with the world being up in the air, more engaged "practical learning" and mental stimulation is more important than a page of long multiplication.

[Strictly Jake]

Originally Posted by arista

Schools are safe as it can be.

These Colds or Flu
should be different to Covid-19 symptoms

Yes but if its possible to transmit colds and flu from person to person then surely logic says so can a covid infection. A lot of these kids may be asymptomatic

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Schools are safe as it can be.

Indeed, we know quite firmly that indoor social gatherings are the main factor but people are (begrudgingly, I will accept understandably) hesitant to give them up. There are economic implications too. But I do have to go back to my long standing view...

Pubs, cafes and restaurants etc. should not be open for sitting in. If that means needing a HUGE government stimulus to keep those businesses afloat, so be it.

[arista]

Around 5PM Boris Johnson is Live today
Updating Covid-19 Rules
10 Downing St.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Yes but if its possible to transmit colds and flu from person to person then surely logic says so can a covid infection. A lot of these kids may be asymptomatic

A cold already had or transmitted to a vulnerable or elderly person too, who may then from someone else get this virus.
Then that adds to the massive breathing problems likely too.

You have talked about confusion and you are right.

Of course the logic has to be children can transmit the virus.
You're right there too.

What an almighty mess this all is.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually think the opposite Ammi . I feel that by-the-numbers learning can happen at any time (even a fully grown adult can quite easily catch up on primary school level maths etc.) whereas the more "vibrant" social learning and engagement is irreplaceable and absolutely what was "missing" during lockdown and remote learning. Maybe that's coming from a biased perspective though, at both ends of the scale. Traditional learning is easy for my eldest and irrelevant for my youngest. I guess it's kids who are already struggling to keep up in mainstream classes who would suffer in academic terms. Though tbh I'm inclined to think that with the world being up in the air, more engaged "practical learning" and mental stimulation is more important than a page of long multiplication.

...thing is though, TS...it doesn’t matter whether you agree or don’t agree or whether I agree or don’t agree...because there are obviously lots of perspectives to look at and things to consider...?...because the government have said..’this is all for our children, they’re being damaged and their education is of the utmost etc and they just have to be on the catchup etc...’...and then they all said...(...many parents for their various reasons...)....YAYYYY! We’re down with that as well...so any extended break being implemented...?...would just be so inconsistent and completely contrary to...full class sizes/full time school hours are essential for our children right now...making term times shorter is the dumbest logic...obviously imo....otherwise it’s just ‘arranging to fit’ like the government do...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually think the opposite Ammi . I feel that by-the-numbers learning can happen at any time (even a fully grown adult can quite easily catch up on primary school level maths etc.) whereas the more "vibrant" social learning and engagement is irreplaceable and absolutely what was "missing" during lockdown and remote learning. Maybe that's coming from a biased perspective though, at both ends of the scale. Traditional learning is easy for my eldest and irrelevant for my youngest. I guess it's kids who are already struggling to keep up in mainstream classes who would suffer in academic terms. Though tbh I'm inclined to think that with the world being up in the air, more engaged "practical learning" and mental stimulation is more important than a page of long multiplication.

..actually the other thing with this.../...sorry I missed what you said about your little TS ladies...as you say, you have ‘both ends’ perspective as it were...one with learning difficulties and the other finding it very easy etc...the ‘mainstream’ of most classes, though...is more the thing and it’s the ‘mainstream’ that can hugely get overlooked as well...(..in the most non COVID of times...)..they’re not struggling to keep up exactly...but each lesson is hugely important for them and lessons lost do have a huge impact through higher schooling years, into the future...

[arista]

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...thing is though, TS...it doesn’t matter whether you agree or don’t agree or whether I agree or don’t agree...because there are obviously lots of perspectives to look at and things to consider...?...because the government have said..’this is all for our children, they’re being damaged and their education is of the utmost etc and they just have to be on the catchup etc...’...and then they all said...(...many parents for their various reasons...)....YAYYYY! We’re down with that as well...so any extended break being implemented...?...would just be so inconsistent and completely contrary to...full class sizes/full time school hours are essential for our children right now...making term times shorter is the dumbest logic...obviously imo....otherwise it’s just ‘arranging to fit’ like the government do...

I don't mean less time in school overall, I mean taking all (or most) of the holiday weeks that we already have and distributing them in a different way. Like flipping the year upside down almost, so kids are in school through summer and have the long break over winter instead, and removing (or shortening) the half term breaks to make the winter break even longer (say 10 to 12 weeks). They'd have just as many school hours, just more of them over the "safer" summer months and tucked up at home in winter instead.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't mean less time in school overall, I mean taking all (or most) of the holiday weeks that we already have and distributing them in a different way. Like flipping the year upside down almost, so kids are in school through summer and have the long break over winter instead, and removing (or shortening) the half term breaks to make the winter break even longer (say 10 to 12 weeks). They'd have just as many school hours, just more of them over the "safer" summer months and tucked up at home in winter instead.

...thing is though, TS...(...because this has obviously been discussed within education many times/rearranging terms etc...)..social interactions are so important with children as well, as as ‘outdoors and reasonable weather..’..etc...’tucked up ..’ ...wouldn’t really give them a balance as much as it’s given now, I don’t think...having their big time off in the summer months when the weather is hoped to be more expanding for them in their activities etc...?...it just makes more sense, I think...and also for both staff and parents, if they’re either having ‘days out’ type of staycation or a U.K. holiday...again, the summer months are often the ones that can give the most options...as opposed to winter having shorter daylight hours and more inclement weather etc...I mean, I guess that up in Scotland...you only might have one or two days of summer sunshine......but for the little British school people, they really do need their summer in summertime because it’s just so more user friendly with those most essential social interactions...

[reece(:]

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...thing is though, TS...(...because this has obviously been discussed within education many times/rearranging terms etc...)..social interactions are so important with children as well, as as ‘outdoors and reasonable weather..’..etc...’tucked up ..’ ...wouldn’t really give them a balance as much as it’s given now, I don’t think...having their big time off in the summer months when the weather is hoped to be more expanding for them in their activities etc...?...it just makes more sense, I think...and also for both staff and parents, if they’re either having ‘days out’ type of staycation or a U.K. holiday...again, the summer months are often the ones that can give the most options...as opposed to winter having shorter daylight hours and more inclement weather etc...I mean, I guess that up in Scotland...you only might have one or two days of summer sunshine......but for the little British school people, they really do need their summer in summertime because it’s just so more user friendly with those most essential social interactions...

So very true !!


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by reece(:

this is just stupid, yes go out but go out and follow the rules of social distancing

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

this is just stupid, yes go out but go out and follow the rules of social distancing

Most places just aren't though. There isn't 2m between tables.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Yes but if its possible to transmit colds and flu from person to person then surely logic says so can a covid infection. A lot of these kids may be asymptomatic

Exactly... especially given that colds , influenza and Covid are all Coronaviruses ..


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[arista]

Update PM is now doing his Live 10 Downing St.
at 4PM

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Exactly... especially given that colds , influenza and Covid are all Coronaviruses ..

Some "common colds" are coronaviruses, most are rhinoviruses. Flu strains are influenza which is a completely different type of virus.

[arista]

PM is now Live.

[Dogeatdog]

Originally Posted by reece(:

I feel like I’ve been grounded by the government for going out too much during my birthday week off work.

[arista]

He talks of testing as if
it is so easy.