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Tellymix · 31-12-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkWaldorf

Eastenders isn't seen as a national embarrassment and freakshow.

Big Brother isn't a national embarrasment. It's one of the best shows of the decade!

*mazedsalv** · 31-12-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tellymix

So EE used to get more than 20m and now gets 9m?! But that's not axed.

BB has lost less viewers and that gets axed. It doesn't make sense

EE used to get 15-25m in throughout the 90s. 2001 was good for them, with an episode getting 20.5m.
It was really between 2003-2005 where they were hit hard. 2005 is when it hit rock bottom. And then it picked itself up entirely with the whole Max/Tania/Stacey thing which got around was it 14m for teh Xmas episode.

This year its been generally at 8m but with the good storylines of this week, Tuesday got 9.6m, the highest Tuesday since 2007 im sure.

EE hasnt been too rapid, it still has 50% of the audience in 20 years which is good.

All i can think of is Friends which ended on a high with 53m Americans watching and 9.7m UK people on C4 watching before BB5 Launch.
Same for Fraiser, MASH etc... comedy shows.

Tom · 31-12-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tellymix

Big Brother isn't a national embarrasment. It's one of the best shows of the decade!

I suppose you still think its an informative social experiment as well?

It started being a national embarrassment when they started putting the mentally ill in, and the race row just propelled that. Noone likes the show anymore. Its something people need to come to terms with.

Tellymix · 31-12-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

I suppose you still think its an informative social experiment as well?

It started being a national embarrassment when they started putting the mentally ill in, and the race row just propelled that. Noone likes the show anymore. Its something people need to come to terms with.

No, I know it's not a social experiment. But it's a good entertainment show and I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a national embarassment. It's a show which many people don't like.

But national embarrasment are things like the MPs expenses scandal, the greedy bankers, and other more important things. BB doesn't even come close to that. People need to get a sense of perspective.

Lemo · 31-12-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tellymix

But they could reduce the budget? It can't cost Channel 4 that much, when you compare it to some of the shows they make like documentaries and drama which barely ever get over 2m.

Channel 4 would have the right to pay Endemol far less money than they did last time because the ratings have gone down so much.

So I still think there's hope for the show!!

well put it this way,

you've got £100 grand for the winner,

you've gotta put some money (probally half) to the big brother studios (house BBBM BBLB and aswell the main show)
They've gotta pay some staff.
They've gotta pay for the celebrities

you see it easily could get up to around £3mil-£4mil which they could spend on me

Tom · 31-12-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tellymix

No, I know it's not a social experiment. But it's a good entertainment show and I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a national embarassment. It's a show which many people don't like.

But national embarrasment are things like the MPs expenses scandal, the greedy bankers, and other more important things. BB doesn't even come close to that. People need to get a sense of perspective.

But there are more popular entertainment shows that do basically the same thing and aren't as tired, washed up or surrounded in controversy such as The Apprentice

Tellymix · 31-12-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

But there are more popular entertainment shows that do basically the same thing and aren't as tired, washed up or surrounded in controversy such as The Apprentice

Yeah I know that. But it's not as if Big Brother's ratings are a disaster. They're decent for Channel 4.

And I do think that the show could still be good with a reduced budget. Channel 4 paid Endemol about £50m per year for BB which is loads! That could be reduced to £25m (which used to be the case before BB6) and still have a good show and Channel 4 would be making a profit. My opinion of course.

Tom4784 · 31-12-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

EE used to get 15-25m in throughout the 90s. 2001 was good for them, with an episode getting 20.5m.
It was really between 2003-2005 where they were hit hard. 2005 is when it hit rock bottom. And then it picked itself up entirely with the whole Max/Tania/Stacey thing which got around was it 14m for teh Xmas episode.

This year its been generally at 8m but with the good storylines of this week, Tuesday got 9.6m, the highest Tuesday since 2007 im sure.

EE hasnt been too rapid, it still has 50% of the audience in 20 years which is good.

All i can think of is Friends which ended on a high with 53m Americans watching and 9.7m UK people on C4 watching before BB5 Launch.
Same for Fraiser, MASH etc... comedy shows.

No show gets as much as it used to do really, TV views are down because there's more options.

Salv's knocked it on the head though.

Tom · 31-12-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tellymix

Yeah I know that. But it's not as if Big Brother's ratings are a disaster. They're decent for Channel 4.

And I do think that the show could still be good with a reduced budget. Channel 4 paid Endemol about £50m per year for BB which is loads! That could be reduced to £25m and still have a good show and Channel 4 would be making a profit. My opinion of course.

But the ratings keep falling away and are showing no signs of recovering. For example about 8m watched BB7, but then about 2.5m went missing for BB8 and 9, then another 2m for BB10. If they do somehow recover I still doubt they'll carry on. If Channel 4 pay Endemol about £25m then you can guarantee that the show budget would be slashed from £5m to about £2m and even then BB10 only made about £30m or so there wouldn't be much profit and little point in carrying on with the show.

If Big Brother has a future then its on Pay TV.

Tellymix · 31-12-2009, 04:16 PM

Well there's still hope. I'm hoping that most of Channel 4's new shows don't do well in the ratings and maybe then they'll change their minds.

When they revealed BB was getting axed, they said it was for creative reasons, and that they could have continued as the ratings were good. But I think ratings mean a lot to Channel 4 as their future depends on it, so I tjink it'll come back after 2011/

Lemo · 31-12-2009, 04:16 PM

big brother jus needs a break for 2 years tbh.

Tellymix · 31-12-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemo

big brother jus needs a break for 2 years tbh.

yeah I wouldn't mind a 1 or 2 year break. I think C4 could bring it back.

BigBroFanHere · 31-12-2009, 04:18 PM

I think that BB8 is partly resposible for the downfall in ratings, after BB8 it rapidly declines

Tom · 31-12-2009, 04:19 PM

Well if you're going to wait for it to come back you've got a pretty long wait ahead of you

Tellymix · 31-12-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBroFanHere

I think that BB8 is partly resposible for the downfall in ratings, after BB8 it rapidly declines

BB8 was a brilliant series though. Brian was a legend and Chanelle was so funny

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Tom · 31-12-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tellymix

BB8 was a brilliant series though. Brian was a legend and Chanelle was so funny

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Did you not watch BB1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 or 9?

BB8 is the worst of the lot (along with BB10)

Tellymix · 31-12-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

Well if you're going to wait for it to come back you've got a pretty long wait ahead of you

Well, Shirley Jones seems to think that it's not all over for Big Brother:

"Who knows?" said Jones. "It may well reappear some day."

BigBroFanHere · 31-12-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tellymix

BB8 was a brilliant series though. Brian was a legend and Chanelle was so funny

!

I know, i liked BB8, but alot of people didn't like it

Tom · 31-12-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tellymix

Well, Shirley Jones seems to think that it's not all over for Big Brother:

"Who knows?" said Jones. "It may well reappear some day."

May being the operative word

Tellymix · 31-12-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

Did you not watch BB1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 or 9?

BB8 is the worst of the lot (along with BB10)

Yeah I've seen all of them. My favourites in order are:

5
7
8
6
10
2
1
9

BB9 was well ****. It had loads of crap housemates like Kathreya and Maysoon and was sooo boring. The only good housemate was Rex. Everyone else was so annoying. I couldn't stand that series!

*mazedsalv** · 31-12-2009, 04:25 PM

I thought BB9 was brilliant, 8 is 2nd from bottom, as BB4 is rock bottom.

And yep Dezzy is right, back in BB5 times, how many people had Sky? I remember taht only 1 of cousins did, possible a couple of friends, now everyone in my family, friends and all i know have Sky... now there are hundreds more channels and everyone can view them. Which is a reason why main channels are decreasing generally (exclusing BGT, XF), and channels such as ITV2, More4, Dave are increasing.

Jamie..... · 31-12-2009, 04:26 PM

BB8 and BB4 are known for being boring.
I actually thought BB9 was quite good, BB5 BB6 and BB7 were also good

Tellymix · 31-12-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

I thought BB9 was brilliant, 8 is 2nd from bottom, as BB4 is rock bottom.

I dunno why so many people dislike BB8 so much! What was so bad about it? The characters were fiery like Chanelle, Charley, Billy. Brian was so funny and so were the twins. There were some great tasks like the telepathy one and the fake eviction/Pauline twist was amazing!! BB9 had no good twists in it at all!!

What's your ranking from best to worst?

*mazedsalv** · 31-12-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tellymix

I dunno why so many people dislike BB8 so much! What was so bad about it? The characters were fiery like Chanelle, Charley, Billy. Brian was so funny and so were the twins. There were some great tasks like the telepathy one and the fake eviction/Pauline twist was amazing!! BB9 had no good twists in it at all!!

What's your ranking from best to worst?

BB8 being near from bottom is not because i thought it was bad, i actually found it average, but compared to other series thats where it rates.

There is a huge difference in gap and likeability between BB8 and BB4 in my list. BB4 was dreadful.

Raph · 31-12-2009, 04:33 PM

they really should!
i love big brotherr <3

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