[Shaun]

I just don't think LT likes the gays, personally. Perhaps George turned down an offer of his sausage at Bible Camp.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I just don't think LT likes the gays, personally. Perhaps George turned down an offer of his sausage at Bible Camp.

You are wrong of course and it is a standard (lazy) defence when someone does not share your view.

Sexual preference is an individual decision and should have little bearing on who you are as a person and should not dominate your personality. as such it is not something i would use to decide whether i like someone or not, I have no idea what sexual prefs a lot of my pals like and i dont care.

I am more interested if someone likes football and or certain tv programmes. These are far better guides to what a chap or chappette is like in my book.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You are wrong of course and it is a standard (lazy) defence when someone does not share your view.

Sexual preference is an individual decision and should have little bearing on who you are as a person and should not dominate your personality. as such it is not something i would use to decide whether i like someone or not, I have no idea what sexual prefs a lot of my pals like and i dont care.
I am more interested if someone likes football and or certain tv programmes. These are far better guides to what a chap or chappette is like in my book.

Whether or not it is actually a decision is debatable LT.

The section that I have put in bold is exactly the reason why it is so out of order to be discriminated against because of who you sleep with.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Whether or not it is actually a decision is debatable LT.

The section that I have put in bold is exactly the reason why it is so out of order to be discriminated against because of who you sleep with.

What about when blokes get discriminated against at nightclubs (ie dont get in because they want more women)

What about fat people not getting jobs

What about attractive girls getting jobs

What about older people not getting tv work

What about ginger children

What about short men not getting dates

What about tall women not getting dates


Humans discriminate all the time, we all do.

[xDramatick]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What about when blokes get discriminated against at nightclubs (ie dont get in because they want more women)

What about fat people not getting jobs

What about attractive girls getting jobs

What about older people not getting tv work

What about ginger children

What about short men not getting dates

What about tall women not getting dates


Humans discriminate all the time, we all do.

this thread isn't about this though.
this thread is about two male adults who are in love, and were refused a holiday because of who they are, something they cannot change.

these B&B owners still disgust me, regardless of how much abuse they're getting. yeah, it's OTT but if you're gonna dish hate out you gotta take it back.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What about when blokes get discriminated against at nightclubs (ie dont get in because they want more women)

What about fat people not getting jobs

What about attractive girls getting jobs

What about older people not getting tv work

What about ginger children

What about short men not getting dates

What about tall women not getting dates


Humans discriminate all the time, we all do.

I don't really get the point you are trying to make here LT, I'm sure if someone was told they couldn't stay in a B&B because they were ginger etc. there would be as much if not more out cry about it!

[BB_Eye]

What about all the people who just wrote in to complain about their stupid policy which, lets face it, probably made up most of those 900 e-mails.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Welcome to Tolerance Towers. Rule 1: No tolerance

If you run a boarding house in 2010, at some stage you must expect a same-sex couple to check in for the night.

So Susanne Wilkinson was wrong to turn away John Morgan and Michael Black from her B&B in Wokingham because homosexuality offends her devout Christian beliefs.

After all, it's not very Christian telling travellers there's no room at the inn.
Michael Black (left) and John Morgan were turned away from Susanne Wilkinson B&B because allowing a same-sex couple to stay was 'against her convictions'

Michael Black (left) and John Morgan were turned away from Susanne Wilkinson's B&B because allowing a same-sex couple to stay was 'against her convictions'

Perhaps if her advert had emphasised 'run by devout Christian' (Rule one, No Poofters), John and Michael may have taken the hint and booked in somewhere else.

Why stay where you're not welcome? I certainly wouldn't check into a temperance hotel.

But this is where it gets out of hand. The police are now investigating Mrs Wilkinson and she's been deluged with hate mail from homosexual fundamentalists.

Threatening to burn someone's house down isn't very Christian either.

Mrs Wilkinson was in the wrong. She's probably in the wrong business.

But prosecuting someone for holding sincere Christian convictions and making violent threats against her proves yet again that in New Labour's Britain tolerance is a one-way street.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz0jGyXnZjG

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...lesbian-bishop

read the comments at the end of the article between the writer and East coast. quite interesting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...cret-tape.html

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...cret-tape.html

Its his own opinion, he is entitled to it, frankly there is a fair and valid point to people being allowed to follow their own beliefs, however for that to happen the law needs to be changed, at the moment the law doesnt differentiate between hotels and B&B's.

I wonder if this hotel has a problem with gays sleeping together?

http://www.brighton-mh-hotel.co.uk/index.asp

[Wildcat!]

IN my opinion, I dont see the problem in them turning away that couple, because of their convictions and beliefs. If they believe that lifestyle is wrong, they have the right to do so. Call them homophobes if you like, they are just that, but I think they should be allowed to do so. Its getting out of hand now how people arent allowed to teach their children their religious values, especially in their own home. Granted its a business, but its still a guest house. They have to live there, their kids live there.

IF it was a hotel, I would feel differently about it, but a B&B is a completely different thing. I wouldnt want to go in there if I am not welcome in the first place. My problem is, they already accepted the couple, therefore, they should honor the reservation at that point. Sprinkle it with holy water or whatever afterwards. But it was too late, after they already booked them, and let them come all the way. Who knows how far they drove. And they dont know if they can find other accommodations.

So if I have those convictions, knowing that being homosexual isnt very rare or illegal, I would make it a point to ask who the guests are, before booking anyone. Like I said, Homophobia might be wrong to some, but its not illegal. same with racism, it might be wrong, but it isnt illegal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

IN my opinion, I dont see the problem in them turning away that couple, because of their convictions and beliefs. If they believe that lifestyle is wrong, they have the right to do so. Call them homophobes if you like, they are just that, but I think they should be allowed to do so. Its getting out of hand now how people arent allowed to teach their children their religious values, especially in their own home. Granted its a business, but its still a guest house. They have to live there, their kids live there.

IF it was a hotel, I would feel differently about it, but a B&B is a completely different thing. I wouldnt want to go in there if I am not welcome in the first place. My problem is, they already accepted the couple, therefore, they should honor the reservation at that point. Sprinkle it with holy water or whatever afterwards. But it was too late, after they already booked them, and let them come all the way. Who knows how far they drove. And they dont know if they can find other accommodations.

So if I have those convictions, knowing that being homosexual isnt very rare or illegal, I would make it a point to ask who the guests are, before booking anyone. Like I said, Homophobia might be wrong to some, but its not illegal. same with racism, it might be wrong, but it isnt illegal.

great post

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

IN my opinion, I dont see the problem in them turning away that couple, because of their convictions and beliefs. If they believe that lifestyle is wrong, they have the right to do so. Call them homophobes if you like, they are just that, but I think they should be allowed to do so. Its getting out of hand now how people arent allowed to teach their children their religious values, especially in their own home. Granted its a business, but its still a guest house. They have to live there, their kids live there.

IF it was a hotel, I would feel differently about it, but a B&B is a completely different thing. I wouldnt want to go in there if I am not welcome in the first place. My problem is, they already accepted the couple, therefore, they should honor the reservation at that point. Sprinkle it with holy water or whatever afterwards. But it was too late, after they already booked them, and let them come all the way. Who knows how far they drove. And they dont know if they can find other accommodations.

So if I have those convictions, knowing that being homosexual isnt very rare or illegal, I would make it a point to ask who the guests are, before booking anyone. Like I said, Homophobia might be wrong to some, but its not illegal. same with racism, it might be wrong, but it isnt illegal.

It is however illiegal for them to turn them away because of their sexuality which is what they did.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

IN my opinion, I dont see the problem in them turning away that couple, because of their convictions and beliefs. If they believe that lifestyle is wrong, they have the right to do so. Call them homophobes if you like, they are just that, but I think they should be allowed to do so. Its getting out of hand now how people arent allowed to teach their children their religious values, especially in their own home. Granted its a business, but its still a guest house. They have to live there, their kids live there.

IF it was a hotel, I would feel differently about it, but a B&B is a completely different thing. I wouldnt want to go in there if I am not welcome in the first place. My problem is, they already accepted the couple, therefore, they should honor the reservation at that point. Sprinkle it with holy water or whatever afterwards. But it was too late, after they already booked them, and let them come all the way. Who knows how far they drove. And they dont know if they can find other accommodations.

So if I have those convictions, knowing that being homosexual isnt very rare or illegal, I would make it a point to ask who the guests are, before booking anyone. Like I said, Homophobia might be wrong to some, but its not illegal. same with racism, it might be wrong, but it isnt illegal.

Why have you dragged children into the debate? Why bring in emotive issues?

The guest house owners were running a business, therefore they have to follow laws that are applicable to that business. One of which just happens to state it is illegal for businesses to discriminate on the grounds of sexual preference.

Its okay for them to receive tax relief on all sorts of different items, including the TV, computer equipment, possibly their car, food they buy etc. electricity may have been bought at the commercial as opposed to domestic rates(lot cheaper). In fact they, by turning their home into a business, receive a lot of perks. You would soon hear them whine if the tax man said you arent eligible for rebate of tax on business items on the grounds you arent following the applicable business laws.

Would your attitude be the same if they had turned away a coloured couple on the grounds they didnt allow coloured people into their home? Or a Jewish couple on the grounds that the Jews crucified Christ?

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Why have you dragged children into the debate? Why bring in emotive issues?

The guest house owners were running a business, therefore they have to follow laws that are applicable to that business. One of which just happens to state it is illegal for businesses to discriminate on the grounds of sexual preference.

Its okay for them to receive tax relief on all sorts of different items, including the TV, computer equipment, possibly their car, food they buy etc. electricity may have been bought at the commercial as opposed to domestic rates(lot cheaper). In fact they, by turning their home into a business, receive a lot of perks. You would soon hear them whine if the tax man said you arent eligible for rebate of tax on business items on the grounds you arent following the applicable business laws.

Would your attitude be the same if they had turned away a coloured couple on the grounds they didnt allow coloured people into their home? Or a Jewish couple on the grounds that the Jews crucified Christ?

Relax max! Its just my opinion! I am questioning the law! And yes my attitude would be the same if it was regarding any of the cases you stated. I still think being their home business, they should be allowed to refuse anyone. Like I said, its my opinion on the matter, Discrimination will only hurt their business anyways, so its their prerogative. They will lose a big portion of possible clients. Too bad for them. BUt i woulnt want to force them to have guest that they dont want. Again, its what |I believe in! Obviously, its not what the law says.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Relax max! Its just my opinion! I am questioning the law! And yes my attitude would be the same if it was regarding any of the cases you stated. I still think being their home business, they should be allowed to refuse anyone. Like I said, its my opinion on the matter, Discrimination will only hurt their business anyways, so its their prerogative. They will lose a big portion of possible clients. Too bad for them. BUt i woulnt want to force them to have guest that they dont want. Again, its what |I believe in! Obviously, its not what the law says.

Thing is the owners were stupid, it may be their house and if they had an alternative excuse for such situations then I would say fair dos, however that isnt what happened. By refusing service with the excuse they gave they broke the law.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Thing is the owners were stupid, it may be their house and if they had an alternative excuse for such situations then I would say fair dos, however that isnt what happened. By refusing service with the excuse they gave they broke the law.

They were not stupid they were honest.

[Wildcat!]

I dont know about this country, but I lived most of my life in the US. DOnt you have a law that says "I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, without giving any reasons"?

I know its a thing in the US for any businesses. If you provide a service, you have the right to refuse anyone you want, and dont have to say why! Is it not like that here?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

I dont know about this country, but I lived most of my life in the US. DOnt you have a law that says "I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, without giving any reasons"?

I know its a thing in the US for any businesses. If you provide a service, you have the right to refuse anyone you want, and dont have to say why! Is it not like that here?

yes you can if you have good cause, like pubs in Glasgow do not serve people with football colours on during match days.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes you can if you have good cause, like pubs in Glasgow do not serve people with football colours on during match days.

Yeah but "I don't like who you're sleeping with" isn't good cause, it's discrimination in the eyes of the law. Like someone else pointed out already, If they had half a brain between them the should have said, Oh we're double booked opsy!

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Yeah but "I don't like who you're sleeping with" isn't good cause, it's discrimination in the eyes of the law. Like someone else pointed out already, If they had half a brain between them the should have said, Oh we're double booked opsy!

So youre not allowed to say, "I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"! YOu have to always give a reason. COrrect?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

So youre not allowed to say, "I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"! YOu have to always give a reason. COrrect?

Well, if you booked and paid for a room and then when you arrived were told, no you can't stay here, wouldn't you feel entitled to know why? I know I would!

[Wildcat!]

Yeah, I agree! The law is the law after all! I am only questioning its validity! Obviously if it was me, I would give them some bogus reason, peole do it all the time, to refuse anyone they dont like for one reason or another. They do it when you want to rent an apartment! Even if they think youre not good looking they might tell you the room is already taken, when its not!

[Crimson Dynamo]

"gay folks" are always moaning about laws that are "wrong" until one happens to suit them and then, well, its the law innit?

lol at the gays