[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by zotler.

The only time where I can see abortion as acceptable is in cases of rape, you couldn't blame someone for not wanting to give birth to a child they didn't even want to conceive. Anything else though, well, you shouldn't have been having sex if you weren't prepared for the chance of getting pregnant. If you don't want the baby that badly / can't take care of it, there's plenty of families looking to adopt.

Who are you or anyone else to say when it is acceptable or not! Don't attempt to thrust your opinions down the throats of others! It is not your decision, and never should be, what others do in that situation! Face it - in the modern world - abortion will always be an option - the date just needs lowering!

The adoption argument is weak to say the least and shows that people that make such comments have absolutely no understanding of the situation.

There may be quite a few adoptive families at the moment - but if women were forced to have babies they didn't want - there soon wouldn't be enough families to go around, and older children looking for families wouldn't get a look-in as everyone would want babies. What about those that couldn't get good adoptive families - what happens to them - institutions! What a great start in life that would be!

The unsafe practice of illegal abortions would rear its ugly head again and many women and babies would die! All because some people think THEIR principles are what is important!

[zotler.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Who are you or anyone else to say when it is acceptable or not! Don't attempt to thrust your opinions down the throats of others! It is not your decision what others do in that situation! Face it - in the modern world - abortion will always be an option - it just needs lowering a bit!

Excuse me? I said "Where I can see abortion as acceptable" which implies it's my opinion, I'm hardly trying to thrust it down anyones throat, nor did I say I care what other people do (Yes, okay, nor did I say that I didn't, but whatever.)
I'm aware that there will always be people who reckon the 'best' way to be free of raising a child is to abort it, I don't give a **** what they do, they'll be the ones who will probably think about it for the rest of their lives and wonder what their unborn child may of been like.

[zotler.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

The unsafe practice of illegal abortions would rear its ugly head again and many women and babies would die! All because some people think THEIR principles are what is important!

I don't recall saying abortion should be illegal, WTF.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by zotler.

I don't recall saying abortion should be illegal, WTF.

As good as - you said that only women who had been raped should be allowed to terminate the pregnancy!

Ideally - noone would get pregnant who didn't want to be - but it isn't an ideal world - people make mistakes. In most cases - adoption is not a suitable alternative to abortion.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by zotler.

Excuse me? I said "Where I can see abortion as acceptable" which implies it's my opinion, I'm hardly trying to thrust it down anyones throat, nor did I say I care what other people do (Yes, okay, nor did I say that I didn't, but whatever.)
I'm aware that there will always be people who reckon the 'best' way to be free of raising a child is to abort it, I don't give a **** what they do, they'll be the ones who will probably think about it for the rest of their lives and wonder what their unborn child may of been like.

Your opinion implied that you would support a ban for women, other than rape victims, from having abortions. Anyone supporting such an act - would thus be thrusting their opinions down the throats of those forced to have babies they didn't want.

[zotler.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Your opinion implied that you would support a ban for women, other than rape victims, from having abortions. Anyone supporting such an act - would thus be thrusting their opinions down the throats of those forced to have babies they didn't want.

Okay yeah, maybe I was a bit foggy. What I meant by it though, is that where I can only see it as a legitimate reason... I'm not going to stand outside of abortion clinics protesting, people can "terminate their pregnancy" all they like.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by zotler.

Okay yeah, maybe I was a bit foggy. What I meant by it though, is that where I can only see it as a legitimate reason... I'm not going to stand outside of abortion clinics protesting, people can "terminate their pregnancy" all they like.

Fair enough!

[Zippy]

How can anybody be against choice? Apart from anything else, its not in a childs interest to be born unwanted. Lord knows there are enough unwanted children in the world already. They suffer all kinds of horrors.

That said, in this day there is really no need for unwanted pregnancies and women really should take the ultimate responsibility for their own bodies.

[bananarama]

Pro choice if the womwans life is in danger......Otherwise abortion is cold blooded murder without justification........Something Hitler would rejoice at doing.......

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Who are you or anyone else to say when it is acceptable or not! Don't attempt to thrust your opinions down the throats of others! It is not your decision, and never should be, what others do in that situation! Face it - in the modern world - abortion will always be an option - the date just needs lowering!

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Who are you or anyone else to say when it is acceptable or not! Don't attempt to thrust your opinions down the throats of others! It is not your decision, and never should be, what others do in that situation! Face it - in the modern world - abortion will always be an option - the date just needs lowering!

Whilst I agree with what your opinion on this subject, this is a somewhat harsh response given its a forum for debate, and in your eyes zotler expressing her opinion is forcing her opinion down others' throats, does that apply to anyone expressing an opinion different to yours?

Society itself dictates what is and is not acceptable. and as a member of society we all have the right to an opinion. You may disagree with other peoples opinion and can argue counter to it as is your right. But to try and censure someone else for their opinion is an extremely counter productive action which often strengthens and closes the mindset of the person censured

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Whilst I agree with what your opinion on this subject, this is a somewhat harsh response given its a forum for debate, and in your eyes zotler expressing her opinion is forcing her opinion down others' throats, does that apply to anyone expressing an opinion different to yours?

Society itself dictates what is and is not acceptable. and as a member of society we all have the right to an opinion. You may disagree with other peoples opinion and can argue counter to it as is your right. But to try and censure someone else for their opinion is an extremely counter productive action which often strengthens and closes the mindset of the person censured

I guess you have a point - maybe I was a bit OTT in my response! It is an emotive subject and one which creates strong views. Of course people are entitled to their opinions on the subject - but when they support legislation that would force that opinion down the throats of others - having devastating effects on their lives - that is like a red rag to a bull I'm afraid!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I guess you have a point - maybe I was a bit OTT in my response! It is an emotive subject and one which creates strong views. Of course people are entitled to their opinions on the subject - but when they support legislation that would force that opinion down the throats of others - having devastating effects on their lives - that is like a red rag to a bull I'm afraid!

Yes it is a very emotive subject, for both sides, dont forget the pro life lobby argue on the fact that abortion is murder of another human regardless of the fact they are unborn. So in their eyes they stand on the moral high ground quoting the sanctity of life, all life as opposed to murder for convenience. If only it were that simple.

Interestingly enough the proposed legislation, and it isnt even really proposed yet, just a vote spinner from Cameron, talks only of an as yet unspecified lowering of the time limit.

[Lewis.]

I'm Pro-Choice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am pro letting parents have more say than childless people

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am pro letting parents have more say than childless people

Huh? I don't see any good reason for that distinction.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am pro letting parents have more say than childless people

Are you a parent?

[Niamh.]

I couldn't commit to either as like Wombai said life is rarly black and white. I would lean more on the pro life side though.

[Sophii3x]

I'm more pro-life than pro-choice.. I could never do it myself.

[lily.]

Pro-Choice.

Adoption is not an alternative to abortion. Anyone who's ever gone through a pregnancy can testify to the fact that it's no picnic. If the baby is unwanted, why on earth would any woman put her body through 9 months of hell to give the baby away for he/she to possibly spend the rest of his/her life in the care system.

That said, I personally couldn't go through with a termination, as I wouldn't be able to deal with it emotionally.


Here's an old debate on this issue:
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...ad.php?t=30179

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Sophii3x

I'm more pro-life than pro-choice.. I could never do it myself.

And that would be your CHOICE - just as those that would do it, if necessary, have the right to the same CHOICE!

[Vicky.]

Pro-choice

Though I think the limit should be lowered...drastically. With obvious exceptions...if the mother/babies life is in danger etc.


This is a very raw issue with me at the minute actually, one of my 'mates' recently had an abortion because she wanted to drink and have fun. Nothing else. Also, she is continuing sleeping with random guys. Needless to say I dont think very highly of her now.

THAT, I dont agree with. But at the end of the day, its her life I guess.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Pro-choice

Though I think the limit should be lowered...drastically. With obvious exceptions...if the mother/babies life is in danger etc.


This is a very raw issue with me at the minute actually, one of my 'mates' recently had an abortion because she wanted to drink and have fun. Nothing else. Also, she is continuing sleeping with random guys. Needless to say I dont think very highly of her now.

THAT, I dont agree with. But at the end of the day, its her life I guess.

yeah, that's the problem I have with abortion, people using it as a form of contraception. I don't think I would ever be able to do it myself but I wouldn't condem anyone for doing it but think it should be a difficult decision for someone to make and a serious one.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

yeah, that's the problem I have with abortion, people using it as a form of contraception. I don't think I would ever be able to do it myself but I wouldn't condem anyone for doing it but think it should be a difficult decision for someone to make and a serious one.

If there had been other reasons...like she wasnt ready for a baby or whatever, it wouldnt be so bad. Its just that it was 'I dont want to stop drinking, Im getting rid'. I get so mad when I see her now...its awful.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

yeah, that's the problem I have with abortion, people using it as a form of contraception. I don't think I would ever be able to do it myself but I wouldn't condem anyone for doing it but think it should be a difficult decision for someone to make and a serious one.

I think to stop people using it as a form of contraception - it might be a good idea to make women and the men, if known, pay for them after they have had so many - maybe 2 or 3 - on the NHS!

The NHS could operate a type of 'credit' system in those cases - where the money for the op has to be paid back, with interest, and it should be a debt that can be enforced by the use of bailiffs etc, automatically deducted from wages or benefits and also enforced through the courts - with ultimate sanctions being prison! If rigidly enforced - people will soon stop using abortion that way - if they have to pay for it!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I think to stop people using it as a form of contraception - it might be a good idea to make women and the men, if known, pay for them after they have had so many - maybe 2 or 3 - on the NHS!

The NHS could operate a type of 'credit' system in those cases - where the money for the op has to be paid back, with interest, and it should be a debt that can be enforced by the use of bailiffs etc, automatically deducted from wages or benefits and also enforced through the courts - with ultimate sanctions being prison! If rigidly enforced - people will soon stop using abortion that way - if they have to pay for it!

yeah, that sounds like a good idea, with the exception of course of it being for medical reasons like the baby or mothers life was in danger