[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Stu

Because it's not an opinion. That I find patronising. The fact that you want to degenerate a factual statement with no either or into just 'an opinion'. You make it sound like we have some sort of choice whether or not to believe in karma when we don't. At least not a real, viable choice. It's about the same choice as we have whether or not we want to believe the government is putting microphones in the walls and cameras in your shitter. Nil choice. Sure, you can believe in it if your slap happy, but it's not happening.

I never quiet understand where these belief arguments come from. As if belief is some healthy, enriching thing. It's the abandonment of reason in favour of a mind numbing, comforting 'magic' view of the world.

Belief should also indicate a plausible choice. Like you can't prove something either way. But we can prove karma is bollocks. So I'm not really sure what hope you are beliving in.

For me the belief argument is vailidated because science only goes back so far, the bang bang theory is grand but where did the things that banged come from, where did the very first piece of matter or whatever the term is come from?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

For me the belief argument is vailidated because science only goes back so far, the bang bang theory is grand but where did the things that banged come from, where did the very first piece of matter or whatever the term is come from?

Well that's a whole kettle of fish, but just because science has not discovered somehting yet is no reason abandon it in favour of wild theorys that have already been disproven by other branches of science.

That tired creator argument you posed is smashed with the inevitable follow up question of who created the creator. That's it.

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/The_Big_Bang_Theory

Interesting read, right there.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Stu

Well that's a whole kettle of fish, but just because science has not discovered somehting yet is no reason abandon it in favour of wild theorys that have already been disproven by other branches of science.

That tired creator argument you posed is smashed with the inevitable follow up question of who created the creator. That's it.

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/The_Big_Bang_Theory

Interesting read, right there.

tbh I dont have any creator arguments at all Stu, this is why I would consider myself agnostic because I don't know either way, nobody does really

[Shaun]

or you're just a wet blanket.

[Angus]

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Originally Posted by angus58
I've never been a fan of the concept of polytheism - it makes little sense to me to delegate creation to a myriad assortment of individual gods of this and gods of that. Logic dictates there is always someone (or something) ultimately in charge!

Monotheism is not anymore logical than polytheism.


I did state that it made no sense to ME, since my belief system is irrevocably informed by my background, life experiences, intellect and exposure to other belief systems, so it is inevitable that what makes sense to ME may not necessarily float your boat. It is the nature of human beings to attempt to make sense of the world around them and it is hardly surprising that the infinitessimal amount of variables that affect human thought processes will often result in diametrically opposed viewpoints on every subject under the
sun. Vive la difference!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

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Originally Posted by angus58
I've never been a fan of the concept of polytheism - it makes little sense to me to delegate creation to a myriad assortment of individual gods of this and gods of that. Logic dictates there is always someone (or something) ultimately in charge!

Monotheism is not anymore logical than polytheism.


I did state that it made no sense to ME, since my belief system is irrevocably informed by my background, life experiences, intellect and exposure to other belief systems, so it is inevitable that what makes sense to ME may not necessarily float your boat. It is the nature of human beings to attempt to make sense of the world around them and it is hardly surprising that the infinitessimal amount of variables that affect human thought processes will often result in diametrically opposed viewpoints on every subject under the
sun. Vive la difference!

You're a Christian right?

[Angus]

I do not believe in organised religion despite being brought up as a Roman Catholic and I see no point in rituals, ceremonies, or a clerical hierarchy which puts other men in the way of my commune with God (if there is one). I suppose you could say I live my life according to one principle "Do unto others as you would be done by" which I think just about covers all bases. This principle is not unique to Christianity, so I would answer that I tend to favour the concept of there being a God, but I am not a Christian per se.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by angus58

I do not believe in organised religion despite being brought up as a Roman Catholic and I see no point in rituals, ceremonies, or a clerical hierarchy which puts other men in the way of my commune with God (if there is one). I suppose you could say I live my life according to one principle "Do unto others as you would be done by" which I think just about covers all bases. This principle is not unique to Christianity, so I would answer that I tend to favour the concept of there being a God, but I am not a Christian per se.

Why do you feel there needs to be a God?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

Why do you feel there needs to be a God?

I wouldn't go so far as to say there needs to be a God, I just lean more towards that viewpoint simply because of inexplicable and, dare I say it, spiritual events I have experienced during my life.

I studied Psychology for my degree, which I found to be a fascinating and multi-faceted discipline although based on the supposition that all human beings can be categorised, stereotyped, pigeon-holed and neatly filed under convenient labels (again the irresistible need for human beings to create order in a chaotic and often pointless existence). However, my unique life experiences have influenced and informed my belief systems, and what is logical and axiomatic to me may not necessarily be viewed as such by someone with different life experiences.

[InOne]

Ahhh right, fair enough.

[Jords]

Karma needs to bite where it hurts to some members on here, seriously, they do not have a clue.

- leaves -

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jords

Karma needs to bite where it hurts to some members on here, seriously, they do not have a clue.

- leaves -

What an excellent, coherent reply to the arguments posted.

I'm sorry, but I can't help but sound pretentious when I'm talking to someone like you. Continue on in sunshine land where everyone is of equal intelligence.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Stu

What an excellent, coherent reply to the arguments posted.

I'm sorry, but I can't help but sound pretentious when I'm talking to someone like you. Continue on in sunshine land where everyone is of equal intelligence.

Stu are you by any chance saying that there may be people of very low intelligence on this site?

[30stone]

My gosh, is there one thread on this forum today where arguments dont start??!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by 30stone

My gosh, is there one thread on this forum today where arguments dont start??!

None if it is real, all the arguments are simply to keep the staff on their toes.

Call it a Staff Training Exercise to get you back up to speed for when BB11 starts.

Its been carefully orchestrated to get the best out of you.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by 30stone

My gosh, is there one thread on this forum today where arguments dont start??!

***** you!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

***** you!

The best reply of the day, PM James for your prize.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

The best reply of the day, PM James for your prize.

YAY! a million dollars?

[Lucy.]

How does every thread on this forum result in arguements :O
I thought opinions wern't meant to cause conflict Lmao.
But anyway - I don't believe in Karma, it justs makes no sense to me.
Like if it was true surely good people would have everything turn out right for them
and vice versa but it just doesn't seem to work like that.

[Jessica.]

ppffffft

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

ppffffft

Youre such a child Jess.

I remember this thread, it was pmt I swear.

[zotler.]

Originally Posted by Jords

Youre such a child Jess.

I remember this thread, it was pmt I swear.

PMT?

[Novo]

^ Ban

[Stephanie]

This thread is jokes.

[Jack_]

What a constructive bump