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Claymores · 01-06-2010, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

I agree. The only thing that annoys me is the 'Muslim outrage' that will probably hit the UK. And they basically use the 'protests' to insult anyone who is not a muslim. And we let them.

You're such a caring wee soul - it pours out of every word

MojoNixon · 01-06-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Claymores

You're such a caring wee soul - it pours out of every word

Claymores · 01-06-2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

I agree. The only thing that annoys me is the 'Muslim outrage' that will probably hit the UK. And they basically use the 'protests' to insult anyone who is not a muslim. And we let them.

I'm not a Muslim but I'm offended by piriacy and murder in international waters against an aid relief boat

You support piracy and murders sponsored by a state it seems

ElProximo · 01-06-2010, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Claymores

I'm not a Muslim but I'm offended by piriacy and murder in international waters against an aid relief boat

You support piracy and murders sponsored by a state it seems

Get real!

You do not believe.. not for 1 second... you do not believe that they were 'Pirates' or 'Murderers'.

You know full well that the reason the Israelis stopped this boat was because they did believe it was entering their waters,
and,
they did believe (rightly or wrongly) this boat was carrying illegal weapons, illegal cash and terrorist supporters,
and,
they stopped it with every hope and intention of arresting those involved and confiscating the weapons.

Nobody believes Israelis were just marauding the ocean and decided to pirate this boat or start 'murdering' anyone.

I think the Jews are extremely unhappy about this because this is the last thing they ever want anyone to see,
but,
they WERE hoping they would not only find a big cache of weapons intended for terrorists,
and,
to look very cool marching off with a few known terrorist types in handcuffs.

But nobody thinks they were pirating that boat and certainly not there to murder anyone.

In this case - I don't believe THIS boat was shipping weapons to terrorists (unless we see more later),
and,
so far I haven't heard any 'big names' in terms of who they arrested or killed although lets see.

Here again the Palestinian side loses all my support by playing a propaganda game which assumed we are all stupid and gullible.

InOne · 01-06-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Claymores

I'm not a Muslim but I'm offended by piriacy and murder in international waters against an aid relief boat

You support piracy and murders sponsored by a state it seems

I'm talking about how a 'peaceful' religion suddenly becomes violent.

Sticks · 31-05-2010, 04:24 PM

These ships were supplying terrorists who have been firing rockets at Israeli civilians.

They got off lightly with only 10 deaths

By international law, (Article 51 of the UN Convention), Israel had every right to sink every last ship with all hands.

arista · 31-05-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks

These ships were supplying terrorists who have been firing rockets at Israeli civilians.

They got off lightly with only 10 deaths

By international law, (Article 51 of the UN Convention), Israel had every right to sink every last ship with all hands.

"These ships were supplying terrorists who have been firing rockets at Israeli civilians."

Wrong they were supplying Aid for the public of Gaza

WOMBAI · 31-05-2010, 04:31 PM

Personally - sick to death of terrorists - couldn't care less what happens to any of them!

Niamh. · 03-06-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Personally - sick to death of terrorists - couldn't care less what happens to any of them!

They weren't terrorists though, they were aid workers

MojoNixon · 03-06-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

They weren't terrorists though, they were aid workers

yeah right...

Niamh. · 03-06-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MojoNixon

yeah right...

you again................Oh Joy

Sticks · 31-05-2010, 05:14 PM

They were supplying an area that is ruled by Hamas, a terrorist organisation which has as it's aim the annihilation of Israel.

Even supplying food to terrorists is supplying and giving succour and support to terrorists and their aims.

The people of Gaza know what they have to do and over throw the men of violence, namely Hamas, but they choose not to. In fact they voted in this terrorist organisation. Israel, under article 51 of the UN charter has every right to do what ever it takes to defend her people.

Israel so far has shown great restraint when it would be well with in it's right of self defence to take more aggressive action with more casualties to eradicate a threat to it's people.

arista · 31-05-2010, 05:23 PM

Food is needed for Children - Sticks,
as for your Yank Attitude,
You are on your own.

MassiveTruck · 01-06-2010, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Food is needed for Children - Sticks,
as for your Yank Attitude,
You are on your own.

Arista, there is regular aid of the size that the convoy had being pumped into palestine through the correct channels. God knows who came up with the idea for this because it seems to be drummed up by students from ex-polys.

arista · 01-06-2010, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MassiveTruck

Arista, there is regular aid of the size that the convoy had being pumped into palestine through the correct channels. God knows who came up with the idea for this because it seems to be drummed up by students from ex-polys.

Sure
These Ships had MP's on them
and Health Foods needed urgent.

Next time
Turkey Warships can back them.
Then it will be a Big War.

MassiveTruck · 03-06-2010, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Sure
These Ships had MP's on them
and Health Foods needed urgent.

Next time
Turkey Warships can back them.
Then it will be a Big War.

But even MPs have an agenda and this was a huge stunt to pull that off and it worked. MPs aren't all about the right and Israel are only defending their own kind and doing it well.

If Israel open the blockade to Gaza who is going to save them from the suicide bombers coming through and the coming and going of other activity that is a threat to the west? The blockade is there for a reason and the UN are only responding to global pressure. If Israel were completely fascist in this light they would be bombing the hell out of their neighbours from Egypt to other states but it's quite apparent that they are only looking after their own country.

Aid is always going into Gaza on a regular basis. The only people complaining are charity workers who have donators and investors to please, most of them from an Islamic persuasion, persuading another revolt against Jews as they've been told from birth that Jews are evil and so are Christians according to Islam.

Stop the Saudi families and Iran from giving Hamas military ammunition and this all ends. Remove oil from the equation and it won't last beyond a weekend.

lime · 03-06-2010, 10:14 AM

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Aid is always going into Gaza on a regular basis. The only people complaining are charity workers who have donors and investors to please, most of them from an Islamic persuasion, persuading another revolt against Jews as they've been told from birth that Jews are evil and so are Christians according to Islam.

No you are wrong.
Charity workers are not the only people "complaining"

But to say that the reason charities UNICEF ,Concern etc are only complaining is because they are trying to please their donors "most of them from an Islamic persuasion is BS.

Listen ,I am not a fan of religion don't have a copy of any of the "good books"
and really don't care who anyone's sky daddy is but the blockade is WRONG as most world leaders are saying .

I think its quite clear that the point of the flotilla was to highlight the blockade.
I am sure that everyone on board did not expect a welcome party from the IDF but I do not believe they knew they would be shot.
In saying that was really annoyed to see that mother whom brought her child,only a toddler on flotilla with her

lime · 02-06-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MassiveTruck

Arista, there is regular aid of the size that the convoy had being pumped into palestine through the correct channels. God knows who came up with the idea for this because it seems to be drummed up by students from ex-polys.

You are correct,there is regular aid the size of the convoy getting through to Palestine,the problem is ,its not enough hence the reason the UN are saying there is a humanitarian crisis in Palestine.So you are wrong to say its being "pumped "in.
I really don't know what comes under the category of Weapons of mass destruction ,but seriously cement and pasta????

MassiveTruck · 03-06-2010, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lime

You are correct,there is regular aid the size of the convoy getting through to Palestine,the problem is ,its not enough hence the reason the UN are saying there is a humanitarian crisis in Palestine.So you are wrong to say its being "pumped "in.
I really don't know what comes under the category of Weapons of mass destruction ,but seriously cement and pasta????

But the aid that the floatilla was bringing in was only equal to one weekly amount of aid that they usually get. It was really... pointless. Other than a political stunt I have no idea what the point of it was.

Sticks · 31-05-2010, 05:32 PM

So it is perfectly acceptable to fire rockets at civilians and go in with explosives around your body into a crowded market to kill as many women and children as possible, but not acceptable to try and prevent that?

The Palestinian authority of Hamas has pledged to annihilate another sovereign state. All the people of Gaza need to do is overthrow this terrorist regime. Until then Israel has every right given to it by Article 51 of the UN charter to defend it's people, just like we did when we sent the armada in 1982 when our sovereign territory was attacked by Argentina.

As the Israeli PM at the time observed, Britain was allowed to send forces halfway around the world under article 51, but Israel who is defending against a real threat much closer to home can do nothing?

keithafc · 31-05-2010, 05:40 PM

Im behind Israel on this.

There is a video on youtube of the stabbings.

Go Israel!

arista · 31-05-2010, 06:05 PM

"So it is perfectly acceptable to fire rockets at civilians and go in with explosives around your body into a crowded market to kill as many women and children as possible, but not acceptable to try and prevent that?"

Of Course not that is the Everyday War
that never ends.

The point is
the Ship folks had Sticks so the Nazi Type Israeli Gun Killers
shot them in cold blood.

You Stick with your Evil View
and the rest of the World will
be more fair.

Sticks · 31-05-2010, 06:22 PM

The ship people were ordered to dock at a particular port by the Navy because they were trying to supply terrorists.

When the commandos boarded the ships after the ships disobeyed a direct order, the people on the ship attacked first with knives and firearms. The commandos returned fire in self defence.

The navy could have just sank every last ship and made sure all the so called activist drowned to send a message out to those who would support terrorists, and still be justified in that action by Article 51 of the UN charter which allows for self defence.

As I said earlier, those in the ships got off lightly.