[supergirthuk]

Josie brought it up so that she had an excuse to vote for him and unfortunately for him it is sticking to him as Ife used the same excuse this week.

I dont like Dave but I really went off Josie and my opinion of her has plummeted the more I see of her since then.

[cazzy555]

It doesn't really bother me to be honest, I think he's trying to stay true to his beliefs but he is clearly not homophobic and doesn't mind sharring a bed with another man and out of all the religions out there ( not that I agree with any of them) Cristianity does tend to change with the times so it's only a matter of time before they allow gay marriage. Besides the Bible is full of gay sex it's just that it's used as punnishment in the bible.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by cazzy555

It doesn't really bother me to be honest, I think he's trying to stay true to his beliefs but he is clearly not homophobic and doesn't mind sharring a bed with another man and out of all the religions out there ( not that I agree with any of them) Cristianity does tend to change with the times so it's only a matter of time before they allow gay marriage. Besides the Bible is full of gay sex it's just that it's used as punnishment in the bible.

PMSL What bible have you been reading? Did Moses assfuck pharoah into letting the Israelites go from Egypt?

[cazzy555]

Originally Posted by Shasown

PMSL What bible have you been reading? Did Moses assfuck pharoah into letting the Israelites go from Egypt?

LOL I believe it's in the book of Job if you wish to look it up

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by cazzy555

LOL I believe it's in the book of Job if you wish to look it up

Yeah it does appear in the Book of Job, as a form of test not punishment, It was Satan that inflicted the trials onto Job to prove to God that Job was only devout and worshipping God because of his good fortune and that his faith would waver if ill fortune and illness was heaped upon him.

However in the post I questioned you said

Besides the Bible is full of gay sex

One book isnt the whole Bible!

[Jords]

I agree, just giving the housemates an easy nomination tbh.

[Colbert-Bump]

Can't believe housemates are still going on about it, Big Brother should stop them from using it as a reason to nominate Dave.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Colbert-Bump

Can't believe housemates are still going on about it, Big Brother should stop them from using it as a reason to nominate Dave.

If anything they are religious bigots who are discriminating against Dave on the grounds of HIS faith. If a muslim cleric had been in the house and had said he would not condone gay marriage, would those "want to be seen jumping on the PC Bandwagon" sheep dare to nominate him for the same reason? I think not - bunch of hypocrites.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by angus58

If anything they are religious bigots who are discriminating against Dave on the grounds of HIS faith. If a muslim cleric had been in the house and had said he would not condone gay marriage, would those "want to be seen jumping on the PC Bandwagon" sheep dare to nominate him for the same reason? I think not - bunch of hypocrites.

good post.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by angus58

If anything they are religious bigots who are discriminating against Dave on the grounds of HIS faith. If a muslim cleric had been in the house and had said he would not condone gay marriage, would those "want to be seen jumping on the PC Bandwagon" sheep dare to nominate him for the same reason? I think not - bunch of hypocrites.

I disagree entirely, a Muslim preacher preaching the same as Dave would have gone sooner since there's OBVIOUSLY a lot more hate towards Islam then there is Christianity.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I disagree entirely, a Muslim preacher preaching the same as Dave would have gone sooner since there's OBVIOUSLY a lot more hate towards Islam then there is Christianity.

Actually, since you mention it, one of the reason Dennis bullied Mo in BB9 was over alleged homophobia.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I disagree entirely, a Muslim preacher preaching the same as Dave would have gone sooner since there's OBVIOUSLY a lot more hate towards Islam then there is Christianity.

I doubt that since it is virtually a criminal offence in this country to criticise Islam in any way, and the hyenas tearing into Dave now would NOT have the guts to say anything.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Colbert-Bump

Can't believe housemates are still going on about it, Big Brother should stop them from using it as a reason to nominate Dave.

Couldn't agree more! It is a cheap shot by the hms and the public - to use his faith as an excuse to personally attack him! Put me off Josie - saw a different side to her then!

[Jamietwo]

any form of homosexual encounter is an abomination and you will burn in hell , apart from lesbians if thier fit and are fairly discreet about it and don't slack on thier duties of collecting wood and cooking etc .... However God loves sinners and if you repent and turn to our Lord and saviour Gods son jesus christ of nazareth then you can go to heaven. Or something.

seriously though Dave is clearly not homophobic Not like that grumpy little asswipe science who would not even eat the anus of a chicken in case he turned gay.

[JustSkipIt]

Angus58 - you are the voice of reason. Is your surname Metatron by any chance?

The Christian faith of over 2000 years old. It is NOT a religion of intolerance and hate, but in the scheme of things, gay marriage is quite a new idea, and the church can't change doctrine every time public opinion shifts - it took over 1300 years just to get the bible written in English.
Besides - if you find the church so repulsive, why on earth would you want to celebrate your wedding there?
Either way, it's not up to Dave – he wouldn't be allowed to marry a gay couple any more than I would.

[Julie10]

At the end of the day he is a slimeball not on his views about gay relationships but at his acting up by laying around with young men. What message is he giving out? To me it is his desperation not to be nominated that he will do anything to keep these men on his side.

if he doesn't agree with gay relationships fair enough but what is he doing lieing around with men and constantly cosying up to them the fact that he is so desperate he would do that to stay in the house says to me he is sad and not a full christian or whatever he's supposed to be!

Get him out!

[Peter Plunker]

Originally Posted by Julie10

At the end of the day he is a slimeball not on his views about gay relationships but at his acting up by laying around with young men. What message is he giving out? To me it is his desperation not to be nominated that he will do anything to keep these men on his side.

if he doesn't agree with gay relationships fair enough but what is he doing lieing around with men and constantly cosying up to them the fact that he is so desperate he would do that to stay in the house says to me he is sad and not a full christian or whatever he's supposed to be!

Get him out!

That's what Dave is like, he's a tactile bloke. He's like it with me and all our mates and most of us a very happily married.

In the Bible John was described as the one who reclined on Jesus. I'm not comparing Dave to Jesus I'm just saying God has no problems with people getting their cuddle on. It's a just a good old fashioned 'cwtch' as we call it here in Wales.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Julie10

At the end of the day he is a slimeball not on his views about gay relationships but at his acting up by laying around with young men. What message is he giving out? To me it is his desperation not to be nominated that he will do anything to keep these men on his side.

if he doesn't agree with gay relationships fair enough but what is he doing lieing around with men and constantly cosying up to them the fact that he is so desperate he would do that to stay in the house says to me he is sad and not a full christian or whatever he's supposed to be!

Get him out!

What do you mean laying around with young men - would you rather he treated them as if they had the plague or something - you would be quick to have a go at him then! He is a naturally friendly, tactile person - age has bugger all to do with it - he is doing nothing wrong! You have some very antiquated ideas about how religious people should behave! Would you rather he sat there with a scowl on his face - tutting at everyone!

[ILoveTRW]

Dave is a sick twat, just because you believe in the bible doesn't mean that you have to be homophobic.

[Peter Plunker]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

Dave is a sick twat, just because you believe in the bible doesn't mean that you have to homophobic.

He isn't a homophobe. Bandwagon jump much?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

He isn't a homophobe. Bandwagon jump much?

Here, here - he is fast becoming as big a joke as Thomas C with his ridiculous, infantile views!

[stoney]

it seems that you only have religious freedom in this country as long as its not old fashioned Christianity

Dave tried to explain his position very near the begining. He said that HIS interpretation of the scriptures is that gay marriage is wrong but he has absolutely no problem with gay people as God loves everyone.

Is he not allowed that belief because it doesn't fit into our PC world

what IS mattiage in the eyes of the church It used to be the bringing together of a man and a woman cementing their relationship before having children
Now I'm not so sure what it is meant mean apart from some trendy equal rights tax break

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by stoney

it seems that you only have religious freedom in this country as long as its not old fashioned Christianity

Dave tried to explain his position very near the begining. He said that HIS interpretation of the scriptures is that gay marriage is wrong but he has absolutely no problem with gay people as God loves everyone.

Is he not allowed that belief because it doesn't fit into our PC world

what IS mattiage in the eyes of the church It used to be the bringing together of a man and a woman cementing their relationship before having children
Now I'm not so sure what it is meant mean apart from some trendy equal rights tax break

Its not only Daves view, nor any particular churches view, its the law of the land. Homosexuals are allowed to commit themselves in a civil partnership ceremony. This isnt marriage. It treats gays in a separate legal status from opposite sex couples. Although it does actually give them the same rights and responsibilities it still has not altered the Marriage Act.

I dont see how you can call Dave hypocritical for following his religion, surely the hypocrites are the ones who know that in the eyes of some churches a homosexual liaison/relationship is sinning yet expect that church to perform a marriage to endorse what they regard as a state of sin.

What next rapists asking the local minister to bless the bottle of rohypnol, or their hammer?

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Its not only Daves view, nor any particular churches view, its the law of the land. Homosexuals are allowed to commit themselves in a civil partnership ceremony. This isnt marriage. It treats gays in a separate legal status from opposite sex couples. Although it does actually give them the same rights and responsibilities it still has not altered the Marriage Act.

I dont see how you can call Dave hypocritical for following his religion, surely the hypocrites are the ones who know that in the eyes of some churches a homosexual liaison/relationship is sinning yet expect that church to perform a marriage to endorse what they regard as a state of sin.

What next rapists asking the local minister to bless the bottle of rohypnol, or their hammer?

You need to consider what the Church has condoned through the centuries, it's attitude not just to Gay people, but also women, slavery, it's involvement in genocide, it's Inquisitions, it's murdering those who'se scientific enquiry challenged the Church, it's selling of salvation for money. The Church has done all of that but mostly changed it's stance. Is it such a major step to do likewise with regard to Gay marriage?

A marriage is a union, a construct, a social or legal agreement. it does not exist in some rarified exalted place that only certain people who meet unnaceptable standards are entitled to. Marriage is and should be open to all.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by calyman

You need to consider what the Church has condoned through the centuries, it's attitude not just to Gay people, but also women, slavery, it's involvement in genocide, it's Inquisitions, it's murdering those who'se scientific enquiry challenged the Church, it's selling of salvation for money. The Church has done all of that but mostly changed it's stance. Is it such a major step to do likewise with regard to Gay marriage?

A marriage is a union, a construct, a social or legal agreement. it does not exist in some rarified exalted place that only certain people who meet unnaceptable standards are entitled to. Marriage is and should be open to all.

No you dont need to consider what was done in the past in the name of religion, you need to consider how likely churches (because there are more than one) are to accept same sex marriages when they view same sex liaisons or even long term relationships as a state of sin.

Marriage is the blessing of a union, you cant expect a religious organisation to endorse what is to them a state of sin.

A lot of different churches still dont accept women as priests/ministers. Which do you think is more likely to occur in the future? Some churches are truly international, if churches have to accept same sex marriages in the Uk what about in countries where homosexuality is illegal?

If homosexuals were really that bothered about marriage they may be better advised to set up their own Christian Faith where anyone can marry anyone in their church.

That might sound like a homophobic comment but its not, its realistic, the number of civil partnership ceremonies is actually dropping on a year on year basis. The Catholic Church wont accept same sex marriages, well at least for the foreseeable future. Look at the problems the Church of England faced when introducing women ministers and bishops.