[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Originally Posted by MrBlack

Oh My..you are uneducated...its not the politicians who are talking about GW. its scientists.

ostrich alert

and who do you think tells these so called "scientists" what to say

[Tracyjay]

is it just me or does anyone else find it a little scary to think that many people will hear a HM's views on a serious issue (or read on here) and believe it...without checking many sources and reaching own conclusions. printing stats or graphs means little without knowing full sources and wether peer reviewed etc..................phew! had a serious moment there...need a lie down!


You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.” Nietzsche

[flamingGalah!]

Actually there has been warming, even this year while we were having the coldest winter for 30 years, other areas were having record warmth. Melbourne for example had the warmest night for 50 years or something & now while we are having a warm & very dry spell in the UK, Sydney has had it's coldest June night in 70 years...

Where one part of the globe is warmer another may be cooler, so it balances out... But the general trend is still a warming one...

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by MrBlack

its not the politicians who are talking about GW. its scientists.

Not all scientists support the GW myth, coincidently, all government funded scientists support it, wonder why...

Checkout Phillip Stott. He made a great point, humans live between 45 degrees and minus 20 degrees, but global warming fantasists warn us that if we get an increase of 1 or 2 degrees, we wont be able to cope.

Ben has exposed the global warming fantasists.

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

when did he say this?

About 5 mins before this thread started.

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by Tracyjay

is it just me or does anyone else find it a little scary to think that many people will hear a HM's views on a serious issue (or read on here) and believe it...without checking many sources and reaching own conclusions. printing stats or graphs means little without knowing full sources and wether peer reviewed etc..................

So you disagree with NASA, that the planet has been cooling down over the last 5 years?

[ange7]

"coincidently, all government funded scientists support it, wonder why..."
why? is ithis your conspiracy theory?
or is it because they aren't funded by BP.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Bens a prat

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

So you disagree with NASA, that the planet has been cooling down over the last 5 years?

Even if it has though it doesn't mean that there still isn't a general warming trend... It can go in peaks & troughs, in the past climate change hasn't been simply consistantly warming then cooling, it does go up & down...

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

was Ben talking to "sunshine" about global warming?

[Tracyjay]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

Not all scientists support the GW myth, coincidently, all government funded scientists support it, wonder why...

Checkout Phillip Stott. He made a great point, humans live between 45 degrees and minus 20 degrees, but global warming fantasists warn us that if we get an increase of 1 or 2 degrees, we wont be able to cope.

Ben has exposed the global warming fantasists.

I just fell off my chair! its a global rise in 2 degrees not just switch the fans on time in your room. If global temps rise then the cryosphere will be damaged causing ice melt...flooding ..crops to ruin...damaged ecosystems... not just a hot day but a long period of change that many..including people wont be able to cope with...famine etc on HUGE scale

[Tracyjay]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

So you disagree with NASA, that the planet has been cooling down over the last 5 years?

I couldnt decide instantly I would have to read all evidence both sides..and i'm bit rushed at mo.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Originally Posted by Tracyjay

I just fell off my chair! its a global rise in 2 degrees not just switch the fans on time in your room. If global temps rise then the cryosphere will be damaged causing ice melt...flooding ..crops to ruin...damaged ecosystems... not just a hot day but a long period of change that many..including people wont be able to cope with...famine etc on HUGE scale

take it up with the big orange thing in the sky (no not Corin)

when that thing gets pissed there will be a lot more than famine to worry about

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Tracyjay

I just fell off my chair! its a global rise in 2 degrees not just switch the fans on time in your room. If global temps rise then the cryosphere will be damaged causing ice melt...flooding ..crops to ruin...damaged ecosystems... not just a hot day but a long period of change that many..including people wont be able to cope with...famine etc on HUGE scale

Indeed it's the global AVERAGE that is to rise 2 degress, not that we will get 14C in January instead of 12C! A 2C average rise could see temps as much as 10-15C higher, so even in the UK we could be looking at summer time temps of 40C +... Bad for us, but for countries like Africa & Australia it would be devastating...

[ange7]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

So you disagree with NASA, that the planet has been cooling down over the last 5 years?

last 5 years is too short ... look at it over 200 years. These numbers vary in 10 year cycles but the overall direction is up. plus...
CO2 up, ocean temps up, ocean acidity up etc.
etc

wake up dude. Your not that old sado from top gear are you?

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Even if it has though it doesn't mean that there still isn't a general warming trend... It can go in peaks & troughs, in the past climate change hasn't been simply consistantly warming then cooling, it does go up & down...

How long is a trend. Should we go back 5 years, 50 years, 500 years or 3 million years. What caused our planet to be 10 times hotter than it is today? What brought it out of the ice age 300 million years ago?

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

How long is a trend. Should we go back 5 years, 50 years, 500 years or 3 million years. What caused our planet to be 10 times hotter than it is today? What brought it out of the ice age 300 million years ago?

Longer than 5 years! I'd say, personally, 10-20 years at least... probably longer...

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by Tracyjay

I just fell off my chair! its a global rise in 2 degrees not just switch the fans on time in your room. If global temps rise then the cryosphere will be damaged causing ice melt...flooding ..crops to ruin...damaged ecosystems... not just a hot day but a long period of change that many..including people wont be able to cope with...famine etc on HUGE scale

When water freezes, it expands, thus when it melts, it doesn't take up as much space as frozen. 5 years ago we had an average temperature increase, no floods, no ruined crops, no damaged ecosystems, we coped very well.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Longer than 5 years! I'd say, personally, 10-20 years at least... probably longer...

ffs 200 years ... back to the start of the industrial age 1830's.
who are you people?

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

ok im not gonna joke on this post ill be serious

if one scientist says one thing and another says the opposite its a choice of who to believe

if the global warming of recent years is caused primarily by human activity as the government scientists say and this warming is as dangerous as they say ie famine floods blah blah blah

then why do they not just BAN fossil fuels

no, instead they come up with with carbon tax and green technology etc which makes those who invest in it, most famous being Al Gore, very very rich indeed

that is all the proof i need to know its bull****, i dont even need to speak a scientist on either side

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by ange7

last 5 years is too short ... look at it over 200 years.

Why 200 years?

[johnx]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

How long is a trend. Should we go back 5 years, 50 years, 500 years or 3 million years. What caused our planet to be 10 times hotter than it is today? What brought it out of the ice age 300 million years ago?

Theres no PROOF that any climate change is man made.Might be tempting to jump to the conclusion it is which is why much of the public are prepared to swallow it.Powers that be are constantly looking for ways to panic the population presenting them with a host of enemies real and imagined.Ben is a real libertarian for his courageous stance.

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Longer than 5 years! I'd say, personally, 10-20 years at least... probably longer...

You've never known a trend to last upto 5 years? I remember the 'smoothie' haircut in the early 80's, last 2 years at best.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

Why 200 years?

these numbers vary over 5 and 10 year cycles. The longer trend can be hidden if you look only at the last 5 years. 200 years because that's when all the inventions of the scientific age began to be applied in industry.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by ange7

ffs 200 years ... back to the start of the industrial age 1830's.
who are you people?

In the UK the general warming trend has actually only been really evident for around the last 30 years... Before that we had some seriously cold winters in the 40's, 60's & 70's which lowered the average...