[oddballmisfitsFTW]

was Ben talking to "sunshine" about global warming?

[ange7]

"Climate-gate e-mails" ??? ffs

there's 40 years of science in all areas of science pointing to the same thing. But people point to some prat in an English uni as 'proof' of a great conspiracy! What a joke.

[Tracyjay]

is it just me or does anyone else find it a little scary to think that many people will hear a HM's views on a serious issue (or read on here) and believe it...without checking many sources and reaching own conclusions. printing stats or graphs means little without knowing full sources and wether peer reviewed etc..................phew! had a serious moment there...need a lie down!


You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.” Nietzsche

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by Tracyjay

is it just me or does anyone else find it a little scary to think that many people will hear a HM's views on a serious issue (or read on here) and believe it...without checking many sources and reaching own conclusions. printing stats or graphs means little without knowing full sources and wether peer reviewed etc..................

So you disagree with NASA, that the planet has been cooling down over the last 5 years?

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

So you disagree with NASA, that the planet has been cooling down over the last 5 years?

Even if it has though it doesn't mean that there still isn't a general warming trend... It can go in peaks & troughs, in the past climate change hasn't been simply consistantly warming then cooling, it does go up & down...

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Even if it has though it doesn't mean that there still isn't a general warming trend... It can go in peaks & troughs, in the past climate change hasn't been simply consistantly warming then cooling, it does go up & down...

How long is a trend. Should we go back 5 years, 50 years, 500 years or 3 million years. What caused our planet to be 10 times hotter than it is today? What brought it out of the ice age 300 million years ago?

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

How long is a trend. Should we go back 5 years, 50 years, 500 years or 3 million years. What caused our planet to be 10 times hotter than it is today? What brought it out of the ice age 300 million years ago?

Longer than 5 years! I'd say, personally, 10-20 years at least... probably longer...

[johnx]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

How long is a trend. Should we go back 5 years, 50 years, 500 years or 3 million years. What caused our planet to be 10 times hotter than it is today? What brought it out of the ice age 300 million years ago?

Theres no PROOF that any climate change is man made.Might be tempting to jump to the conclusion it is which is why much of the public are prepared to swallow it.Powers that be are constantly looking for ways to panic the population presenting them with a host of enemies real and imagined.Ben is a real libertarian for his courageous stance.

[Tracyjay]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

So you disagree with NASA, that the planet has been cooling down over the last 5 years?

I couldnt decide instantly I would have to read all evidence both sides..and i'm bit rushed at mo.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

So you disagree with NASA, that the planet has been cooling down over the last 5 years?

last 5 years is too short ... look at it over 200 years. These numbers vary in 10 year cycles but the overall direction is up. plus...
CO2 up, ocean temps up, ocean acidity up etc.
etc

wake up dude. Your not that old sado from top gear are you?

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by ange7

last 5 years is too short ... look at it over 200 years.

Why 200 years?

[ange7]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

Why 200 years?

these numbers vary over 5 and 10 year cycles. The longer trend can be hidden if you look only at the last 5 years. 200 years because that's when all the inventions of the scientific age began to be applied in industry.

[ange7]

"coincidently, all government funded scientists support it, wonder why..."
why? is ithis your conspiracy theory?
or is it because they aren't funded by BP.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Bens a prat

[ange7]

Oh OK I'm with you ... thought you were arguing that global warming was rubbish based on just 5 years of UK temp numbers.
My bad.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by ange7

Oh OK I'm with you ... thought you were arguing that global warming was rubbish based on just 5 years of UK temp numbers.
My bad.

Oh yeah I very much believe in global warming, unfortunately as here in the UK we have had two cold winters in the last two years many are trying to discredit it, not realising that climate change (a better description than global warming) will see dramatic variations in the climate, not simply getting hotter...