[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

That might be true now but was it rue back then of a leader who had already invaded Poland and Russia?

Ben was talking more about now ,and we are Americas lapdog ,America say jump we ask how high

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Ben was talking more about now ,and we are Americas lapdog ,America say jump we ask how high

If he was on about now then I agree with him but I got the impression he was referring to WWII. I dont recall him mentioning America at all.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

If he was on about now then I agree with him but I got the impression he was referring to WWII. I dont recall him mentioning America at all.

Ben didnt ,but he said we cannot go on policing the world and we cannot

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

If he was on about now then I agree with him but I got the impression he was referring to WWII. I dont recall him mentioning America at all.

He did mention America because i remember him saying about them coming in late.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I am a MASSIVE supporter of each and every member of the armed forces ,but I agreed with Ben ,We need to stop policing the world ,enough soldiers have lost their lives on foreign soil

This!

[BitterFruit]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I am a MASSIVE supporter of each and every member of the armed forces ,but I agreed with Ben ,We need to stop policing the world ,enough soldiers have lost their lives on foreign soil

you are right but I think he lost the arguement by including WWII into the mix.....we may not have fully realised it at the time but because of true evil of Nazism , WWII was probably the most moral and necessary war we have fought

[Beetrum]

Originally Posted by Livia

Nice moment you chose to make your point.

Enough. Life's too short not to have an 'ignore' list.

You and your stupid ignore list really need to go away. I'll be on that list with pride.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Beetrum

You and your stupid ignore list really need to go away. I'll be on that list with pride.

I think half the forum will be on there by the end of the series - she waves her ignore list around like a flag! Good luck to her! Ha, ha! Unfortunately she won't read this - as I'm already on there apparently! He,he!

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by BitterFruit

you are right but I think he lost the arguement by including WWII into the mix.....we may not have fully realised it at the time but because of true evil of Nazism , WWII was probably the most moral and necessary war we have fought

Nazism was supported by Prescott Bush, then 'America' + Bush joined the war against Adolf, makes you wonder who the enemy is.

Also, Adolf often made the point that he loved the british.

Was 'nazism' organised to justify war?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

They think just because they 'fought for 'their' country', they're more entitled to an opinion than others, and have a better more informed opinion.

I have first hand experience of a brainwashed soldier relative who fought in Basra.

If what british soldiers do were that great, they wouldn't be earning a measely £400 a week.

I think newspresenters are brainwashed !

[fruit_cake]

if there were no soldiers there'd be no wars!!

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

if there were no soldiers there'd be no wars!!

Oh. My. God.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

if there were no soldiers there'd be no wars!!

Tell that to the Taliban! Dictators would rule the world with no one to stand up to them!

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

if there were no soldiers there'd be no wars!!

Due to human behaviour, we need them.

The first job of government is to protect the nations people, they're not doing this in iraq/afghanistan.

[brian3]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

They think just because they 'fought for 'their' country', they're more entitled to an opinion than others, and have a better more informed opinion.

I have first hand experience of a brainwashed soldier relative who fought in Basra.

If what british soldiers do were that great, they wouldn't be earning a measely £400 a week.

If you ask me Ben is the brainwashed upper class god save our qeen a country toff.

[Mr XcX]

I thought Ben talked alot of BS. Steve was wrong though to say he insulted all the dead soldiers.

[bansheewails]

I read books about serial killers, that does not mean that I am one or an expert on them. Ben assumes that Steve doesn't read and because of those assumptions thinks Steve's view is less valid than his own.

If ben did read about the causes of the war, he would know that Nevile failed in his attempt at peace with Hitler. Hitler was going to war no matter what and a treaty with britain wasn't going to stop him!

I happen to believe that the Iraq war was started illegally, on the whim of a US president who, lets face it, was a bit dim. But Ben has foot in mouth disease and should have put his view across more tactfully.

[chuff me dizzy]

Lets not forget Steve(Action Man/Gi Joe ) served a maximum of 2 years in the army

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Lets not forget Steve(Action Man/Gi Joe ) served a maximum of 2 years in the army

whats that got to do with anything? It was long enough for him to lose both legs.

[MeMyselfAndI]

hes been slowly going down for me
i dislike him and almost hate him

[Toast]

Steve wasn't fighting for 'His' country, or anyone else's - he was in occupied territory, acting as a peace keeper between two opposing factions of society.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Toast

Steve wasn't fighting for 'His' country, or anyone else's - he was in occupied territory, acting as a peace keeper between two opposing factions of society.

A dangerous job by anybody's standards -and he paid a hefty price - pretty much amounts to the same thing - he was injured doing his duty as a soldier! Brave man in my book!

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by Toast

Steve wasn't fighting for 'His' country, or anyone else's - he was in occupied territory, acting as a peace keeper between two opposing factions of society.

That's a fair comment, so I'll rephrase my question to the OP. Are you a Soldier, male or female, who has come under fire or been in a situation where your life was threatened because of being in the forces?

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

They think just because they 'fought for 'their' country', they're more entitled to an opinion than others, and have a better more informed opinion.

I have first hand experience of a brainwashed soldier relative who fought in Basra.

If what british soldiers do were that great, they wouldn't be earning a measely £400 a week.

May I ask have you laid your life on the line for your Country?

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by Incensed

May I ask have you laid your life on the line for your Country?

Not in the sense you refer to. But i would for the sake of the prosperity of the English, i wouldn't need paying for it either.