[dudus]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I couldn't care either way really.

couldnt care either way
bollocks
i bet youll love it when were all forced to be muslims and whipped every day

[Patrick]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!

Get in!
This is good I *****ing hate seeing women wearing them in the UK when it isn't our culture.
This is great, this is really really great.

I hope they do bring this law in because people should not be allowed to wear them over here.

Oh thank you lord!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Patrick

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!

Get in!
This is good I *****ing hate seeing women wearing them in the UK when it isn't our culture.
This is great, this is really really great.

I hope they do bring this law in because people should not be allowed to wear them over here.

Oh thank you lord!

No proof just yet lol Can't see it happening myself.

[Boothy]

Really hope this happens. I can't see the difference really between me going to town in a balaclava and a Muslim woman going in a burka, except the burka is considered religious. Many Muslim women get by by just wearing a headscarf, why can't they all? At the end of the day, they've come to England, they should respect our laws and culture. An English woman wouldn't be allowed to wear a bikini in a Muslim country.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Boothy

Really hope this happens. I can't see the difference really between me going to town in a balaclava and a Muslim woman going in a burka, except the burka is considered religious. Many Muslim women get by by just wearing a headscarf, why can't they all? At the end of the day, they've come to England, they should respect our laws and culture. An English woman wouldn't be allowed to wear a bikini in a Muslim country.

I believe a balaclava is also considered religious in the Muslim faith. They seem to parade around in them all the time.

[Shaun]

I'm on the fence with this one - I agree with Dezzy's point that it's almost like taking away a freedom to tackle with a religion's abuse of freedoms.

But then, burkas are so 1985. So to Hell with 'em.

[InOne]

[Stu]

Why don't we just take your argument and go the whole way with it? I take it Islam as a whole is offensive to any sane thinking person, right? And none of us want it 'shoved in our faces', so let's cover Mosque's with cardboard cutouts of Sainsbury's, shall we?

After all, if we don't like something, we have the freedom to tell other people they no longer have the freedom to flaunt it.

~liberty

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stu

Why don't we just take your argument and go the whole way with it? I take it Islam as a whole is offensive to any sane thinking person, right? And none of us want it 'shoved in our faces', so let's cover Mosque's with cardboard cutouts of Sainsbury's, shall we?

After all, if we don't like something, we have the freedom to tell other people they no longer have the freedom to flaunt it.

~liberty

The day we can go to a Muslim country and have our freedoms respected is the day I will support such freedoms in Britain!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

So - you would be quite happy for them to do so at the expense of the feelings of many British women who would be offended - in other words, Muslim women's sensitivities and freedoms should be given priority to those of many British women who feel uncomfortable with it! As a gay/bi man would you feel the same way about groups of men walking around wearing a known, blatant symbol of homophobia!

I wouldn't give a shit. Actually, I would. I would find it silly and would probably verbally shout down the T-Shirt wearing nasty. But I wouldn't try and push a law into government banning him from wearing certain T-Shirts.

Hitler found the Jews offensive. His idea was a little more radical and involved cold showers and a fuckload of gas.

No. Fuck that. You don't get to toy with freedom of expression and speech by saying 'well I find this offensive, so ban it!'.

I find religion in itself offensive. But I'm not knitting together a giant, Vatican sized veil.

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

The day we can go to a Muslim country and have our freedoms respected is the day I will support such freedoms in Britain!

Oh yeah. You have demonstrated the way your brain works with regards to that logic on many occasions.

'Don't lead by example. Just copy what the other guy does hahaha'.

Two wrongs ...

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stu

I wouldn't give a shit. Actually, I would. I would find it silly and would probably verbally shout down the T-Shirt wearing nasty. But I wouldn't try and push a law into government banning him from wearing certain T-Shirts.

Hitler found the Jews offensive. His idea was a little more radical and involved cold showers and a fuckload of gas.

No. Fuck that. You don't get to toy with freedom of expression and speech by saying 'well I find this offensive, so ban it!'.

I find religion in itself offensive. But I'm not knitting together a giant, Vatican sized veil.

Oh yeah. You have demonstrated the way your brain works with regards to that logic on many occasions.

'Don't lead by example. Just copy what the other guy does hahaha'.

Two wrongs ...

Oops I had forgotten how you had risen above any such behaviour!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Oops I had forgotten how you had risen above any such behaviour!

Evidently, considering how I am not proposing that we simply go 'tit for tat' on oppresive, freedom restricting Sharia laws. Probably because I was blessed with a political conciousness above that of the level of a seven year old.

Nice arguments.

[brian3]

A Muslim country is a Muslim country. But the UK is a country made up of many different cultures and beliefs. Allowing everyone to express their culture and beliefs is what makes us more free than a country that has an extreme oppressive religious laws.

[brian3]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

'A Muslim country is a Muslim country' - if that comment doesn't excuse such double standards, I don't know what does! This is Britain - with a predominantly British culture - give some people an inch and they take a mile!

British culture is melting pot of different cultures. Unless your talking about some old imperialist British culture. Which itself was oppressive and sexist.

[dudus]

Originally Posted by brian3

British culture is melting pot of different cultures. Unless your talking about some old imperialist British culture. Which itself was oppressive and sexist.

in 50 years we will all be forced to be muslim or be stoned to death, unless we kick them all out this WILL happen in the next 100 years, our kids and grandkids will all be slaves to some smelly joe daki
AND GUESS WHOS FAULT ITS GONNA BE? ALL YOU BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS WHO STRAIN TO BE SO POLITICALLY CORRECT

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by dudus

in 50 years we will all be forced to be muslim or be stoned to death, unless we kick them all out this WILL happen in the next 100 years, our kids and grandkids will all be slaves to some smelly joe daki
AND GUESS WHOS FAULT ITS GONNA BE? ALL YOU BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS WHO STRAIN TO BE SO POLITICALLY CORRECT

What a well thought out, argument. You should stick in for your school's debating team mate, you would clean up.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by dudus

in 50 years we will all be forced to be muslim or be stoned to death, unless we kick them all out this WILL happen in the next 100 years, our kids and grandkids will all be slaves to some smelly joe daki
AND GUESS WHOS FAULT ITS GONNA BE? ALL YOU BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS WHO STRAIN TO BE SO POLITICALLY CORRECT

Do you know anyone called cupid stunt?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

'A Muslim country is a Muslim country' - if that comment doesn't excuse such double standards, I don't know what does! This is Britain - with a predominantly British culture - give some people an inch and they take a mile!

Our culture has ties to many countries and civilisation's cultures though, If you look into the history of things you'd be surprised by how little culture we actually possess that doesn't derive from somewhere else.

[Vicky.]

I believe it should be banned in places that need tight security...

Banks, airports... even shops etc.

Exactly like balaclavas are.

However, I see no reason really for it to be banned all together.

[BB_Eye]

I think they should ban the use of the term 'creme anglaise' in English as it is so offensive to "British culture" and so insufferably French.

[Stu]

No, tit for tat is never the answer. That is the political view of a seven year old. The type of social justification a child would exhibit. The type of behaviour that gave us World Wars, non World Wars, and all associated shitty film adaptations.

Tit for tat and we wouldn't be having this convorsation. We would be extinct. Lead by example. An eye for an eye and we are all blind.

Yes, I'm having to quote Gandhi. The fucking racist.

[arista]

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by arista

That Tory MP has probably the right idea to discourage the wearing of the Burka, just as post offices, shops and banks should refuse service to those wearing them too. No doubt though the PC brigade will jump on it as discrimination.

[Stu]

'Bend over backwards for Muslims'. You make it seem like such a struggle. I just don't care if they wrap themselves in fucking towels to espouse their ye olde religious views. They should be ordered to take them off in certain situations as Shasown alluded to but apart from that I couldn't care less. It should be their right. Funny that you didn't answer back the other part of my post. You know, tit for tat causing so much misery in human history. You seem intent on never taking responsibility for the actual hard hitting content of my posts, and instead choose to continually focus on what you percieve as threats to your existence/me blowing my own trumpet. So how about it? Tit for tat is a childish view and it never gets us anywhere. It's been proven, darling. It's a childish, politically handicapped, overly simplistic view for armchair pundits to foolishly offer up as a solution.

It's the political equivalent of going 'I know you are but what are my?'.

What's more you already clearly have a giant Muslim sized chip on your shoulder so your views on Muslim things will always be biased methinks. You seem to have a rather rage fuelled passion towards continually pointing out things that may or may not have been brought on by ... aint your son over in what that war?

You want to deny the woman a right to wear one. I get it. Jeez.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I don't believe Muslim women should have the 'right' to wear the burka in public in Britain! I think the 'right's' of the non-muslim majority take presidence in this country! If you don't agree with that - fine!

If you are going to continue throwing in childish, sexist remarks like calling me darling (and in the same sentence that you call me childish) in an attempt to undermine my opinion and dismiss me as a women, which by the way applies to half the members on this forum, then you can do one - as no doubt you would be the first to complain if I started making homophobic remarks in an attempt to undermine you and your opinions! Cheap trick - and quite frankly you are not worth the effort of responding to!

What right of non Muslim majorities? The right to see Muslim women's chins? The right to deny a right? And still no word on the tit for tat? Too busy trying to save womens rights and preserve freedom, are we?

You think I am being sexist by calling you darling? Oh for the love of fuck. I do think you are being childish but what would I have to gain from being sexist? And why do you instantly take 'darling' to be trying to undermine your status as a woman? GET REAL.

The world isin't out to get everyone with a vagina.

FREEDOM IS BLACK AND WHITE. YOU DO NOT GET TO TOY WITH IT. IT'S NOT THERE TO BE SHAPED INTO WHAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE ALLOWED.