[InOne]

The cities are a mess really. But we still have some nice countryside we can be proud of.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Originally Posted by InOne

The cities are a mess really. But we still have some nice countryside we can be proud of.

this is true and I sometimes think of moving to countryside

but past 6 weeks I got put off the idea a bit

I might meet someone like Josie

[InOne]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

this is true and I sometimes think of moving to countryside

but past 6 weeks I got put off the idea a bit

I might meet someone like Josie

Haha I actually don't mind people down that end, places like Stratford and Avebury are really nice. Although you tend to find a lot of Bea and Freddie types

[Shaun]

No. Try living in Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe...

[Lewis.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

No. Try living in Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe...

This. We've got it good over here. We live in a democracy where people can choose what they want to happen. Yes, the government have got quite a few things wrong over time, but i'd rather be paying 2p more for my my packet of polo's than be hunted and killed for moaning about it. Consider yourself lucky.

[Alpertinator]

Okay I think a few of you people here are too patriotic for your own good and you come across as kinda' bigoted (sorry).

Accept this - I do not like the UK. Is that okay with you? Bobnot you mentioned a lovely little village in Derbyshire... here's the thing... Derbyshire is boring. There is nothing special about it. The UK is fairly boring. This little village in Italy, has much nicer weather, much better wildlife and much better bugs I freakin' love bugs. And it has lizard. The people in Italy speak one of the most beautiful languages in the world (as opposed to the deranged language known as English). The food is nicer. In fact it's hard to find crappy processed food there, hard to find ready made meals. You have to cook healthy meals for yourself. You can pick figs off of the trees as you walk the streets. You can see some of the most beautiful war graves in the world within the area of Monte Cassino (which itself is a very nice place). Can you not just accept that I think a good deal of countries are better than the UK? Simply because they are more interesting... unlike the UK, certain other countries are not boring.

And now I'm coming across as bigoted.

[billy123]

let me know when you find it

[Fuzzylogic]

Originally Posted by as90

BB never fails to bring to light how prejudice Britain can be, as much as i love it, it can be a very prejudice place. Unfortunately we don't live in the days of the British empire anymore and rely on many countries to supply as the goods we want to give us the quality of life we are used too. We have hardly any physical exports and our army and willingness to pursue international justice are one of our main assets. Discuss.

While I agree that Britian is becoming a prejudiced and bigoted country, no thanks in part to the likes of the SUN and the Daily Mail with their "Immigunts Eat Babies" shtick, Bit what relevance has this to this years BB?

[Alpertinator]

Resorting to patronising me... sad.

Also incredibly judgemental. You have decided that I am a hippy or somebody who desires to be a hippy. Beyond that, you are now suggestively harbouring a similar kind of view to the fellas' who killed Hopper and Fonda in Born to be Wild, simply because they were defying society and being free. Intimidated by freedom.

[stonedape]

I hope I didn't come across as bigoted, my overall point is that you will have to put up with bull**** anywhere you go. "Interesting" places (where everyone else goes) tend to be especially packed with BS. Like living NYC, the idea was wonderful, but the reality is people are paying for the prestige of living in NYC in human misery. And an exorbitant rent check.

[Alpertinator]

I didn't feel you were coming across as bigoted ape, I feel bad for saying that to be honest.

Hey I wouldn't wanna' live in NYC though man that place is too crowded, be cool to visit but not to live there. I couldn't stand it. I'd love to go to the dinosaur museum there though.

[stonedape]

Originally Posted by Alpertinator

I didn't feel you were coming across as bigoted ape, I feel bad for saying that to be honest.

Hey I wouldn't wanna' live in NYC though man that place is too crowded, be cool to visit but not to live there. I couldn't stand it. I'd love to go to the dinosaur museum there though.

Natural history museum is NICE. NYC is a great place to visit. Anyways good luck, it's healthy to at least say you tasted the grass on the other side. Just don't expect it to taste like filet mignon

[Alpertinator]

Exactly man that's the point of life. To actually taste the grass on the other side. There's this huge world and the way I see it some of the most beautiful parts of the world are not in the UK. I want to go to Africa and the Caribbean islands and I'd love to tour the USA it'd be great to visit the 50 states. Australias' a place I'd love to go to, and Brasilia! Japan as well.

[ange7]

I don't think the UK is ANYWHERE near the most prejudice country. Western nations with democracies are FAR more tolerant than many nations.... they've had to be. Today it's not just about "tolerance", which has an unfortunate underlying connotation of "having to put up with" but about understanding and respecting other great and interesting cultures. That's what Britain is about but if you read tibb you wouldn't think so. hehe

[thevoiceofreason]

eh why was my thread locked but this is fine.... this is like cnn or something. whos a mod here? this fourm is a joke.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by thevoiceofreason

eh why was my thread locked but this is fine.... this is like cnn or something. whos a mod here? this fourm is a joke.

because while maybe it was on the wrong forum (the connection to big brother was a bit vague) we were able to discuss it without resorting to cheap personal attacks against each other unlike the aggressive personally abusive tone that you took on in your thread which caused it to be locked.

[Angus]

Firstly, this thread should be in the Serious Debates Forum not a BB one.

Secondly, I agree that the immigrants coming to our country are often very prejudiced and it is fortunate for them that they are taken in by a country that is tolerant, fair and bends over backwards, (sometimes to the detriment of the indigenous population), in order to provide them with homes, food, schooling, medical facilities and employment.

I am proud that Britain is the most welcoming and tolerant nation on earth - I challenge anyone to cite any other country that takes in the levels of immigrants that we do, considering most refugees and asylum seekers will risk life and limb to cross several safe countries in order to get here. Is that a deafening silence I hear?

Immigration aside, judging by the comments on this forum alone, sexism, homophobia and disability discrimination is still thriving in the younger generation, so despite the strides in legislation and education, ignorance and prejudice in these areas still prevails.

[Eye_Spy]

Originally Posted by angus58

Firstly, this thread should be in the Serious Debates Forum not a BB one.

Secondly, I agree that the immigrants coming to our country are often very prejudiced and it is fortunate for them that they are taken in by a country that is tolerant, fair and bends over backwards, (sometimes to the detriment of the indigenous population), in order to provide them with homes, food, schooling, medical facilities and employment.

I am proud that Britain is the most welcoming and tolerant nation on earth - I challenge anyone to cite any other country that takes in the levels of immigrants that we do, considering most refugees and asylum seekers will risk life and limb to cross several safe countries in order to get here. Is that a deafening silence I hear?

Immigration aside, judging by the comments on this forum alone, sexism, homophobia and disability discrimination is still thriving in the younger generation, so despite the strides in legislation and education, ignorance and prejudice in these areas still prevails.

well after bombing the crap out of their countries, we do take them in, promise to rebuild their countries and send them back. but lets not talk about the bombing, killing and maiming millions of innocent people on here eh? lets just whip up frenzies talking about immigrants and benefits.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

well after bombing the crap out of their countries, we do take them in, promise to rebuild their countries and send them back. but lets not talk about the bombing, killing and maiming millions of innocent people on here eh? lets just whip up frenzies talking about immigrants and benefits.

Bombing them? What, you mean like the refugees from Etheopia that we all gave money to feed a couple of years ago? Or Rwanda, where our country sent troops to stop the militia there cutting the arms off of children? Or maybe Nigeria? We've a lot of refugees from Nigeria... no bombing there though. I think you'll find that most people who come to this country are economic refugees.

The problem with accepting so many refugees into the UK is that they are always placed in communities who are already economically disadvantaged. Maybe we should build a few reception centres in the more well-to-do areas. See how quickly the rules change.

[Eye_Spy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Bombing them? What, you mean like the refugees from Etheopia that we all gave money to feed a couple of years ago? Or Rwanda, where our country sent troops to stop the militia there cutting the arms off of children? Or maybe Nigeria? We've a lot of refugees from Nigeria... no bombing there though. I think you'll find that most people who come to this country are economic refugees.

The problem with accepting so many refugees into the UK is that they are always placed in communities who are already economically disadvantaged. Maybe we should build a few reception centres in the more well-to-do areas. See how quickly the rules change.

i know we havant bombed everybody yet, but try kosovo, iraq and afghanistan for starters, have you forgottenthat war criminal and his cronies saying when we haverebuilt iraq we will send them back, until then we have to make them welcome and look after them?

when we give them money there are conditions usually, ie we send the company to mine copper and take your resources for the UK, such as happened in chile, i can give you a thousand examples, or we give you money to buy your vote in the UN so we can bomb some other defenseless 3rd world country.

perhaps if we stopped giving the banks trillions and stopped funding war to the tune of trillions, there would be enough wealth for everyone?

i think you will find nigeria has a lot of mineral wealth there, guess whose contries companies are in there mining the wealth for themselves?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

i know we havant bombed everybody yet.... etc. etc. etc...

Sorry, I'm not getting into this with you. Your post shows an almost super-human lack of understanding and comprehension. You blame Britain for everything, like we're the baddies and every other country is blameless. I can't debate with someone so blinkered.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

army willing to pursue international justice??!! is that a joke? its the army killing and bombing millions of innocent people which is causing so many problems, wake up sonny.

Killing and bombing millions? You obviously know something we dont care to share

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

well after bombing the crap out of their countries, we do take them in, promise to rebuild their countries and send them back. but lets not talk about the bombing, killing and maiming millions of innocent people on here eh? lets just whip up frenzies talking about immigrants and benefits.

Pray tell which countries have we bombed the crap out of? Do you have any proof of this taking in, rebuilding and enforced repratriation program? Seems someone else is a little bit guilty of whipping up frenzies.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

well after bombing the crap out of their countries, we do take them in, promise to rebuild their countries and send them back. but lets not talk about the bombing, killing and maiming millions of innocent people on here eh? lets just whip up frenzies talking about immigrants and benefits.

Instead of just presenting your opinions as fait accomplis, why not engage in some proper debate with facts and figures and drop the patronising slurs?

There is still a deafening silence whilst I wait for a list of countries (or even one) that has a better record on immigration than Britain. We often have to clean up the mess of other western countries, who take a much harder and less sympathetic line towards people they have disenfranchised. And you need to get your wild accusations in synchronisation with actual facts; Britain is not responsible for all the ills of the world, but we do far more than our fair share in terms of aid and military support for oppressed countries.
Soldiers who serve in our armed forces do NOT make military decisions - that is for the politicians. Or do you suggest we scrap our armed forces altogether, lie down and not fight against oppression and blind hatred?

You are the one "whipping up frenzies", frothing at the mouth with wild accusations as to how Britain is bombing the crap out of other countries (that would be for no reason I suppose?). Where is the responsibility of other western nations or is all your vitriol just reserved for Britain? Seriously we should be turning our attentions to the hate filled enemies WITHIN Britain; they are far more dangerous than any far flung ones.

[Eye_Spy]

Originally Posted by angus58

Instead of just presenting your opinions as fait accomplis, why not engage in some proper debate with facts and figures and drop the patronising slurs?

There is still a deafening silence whilst I wait for a list of countries (or even one) that has a better record on immigration than Britain. We often have to clean up the mess of other western countries, who take a much harder and less sympathetic line towards people they have disenfranchised. And you need to get your wild accusations in synchronisation with actual facts; Britain is not responsible for all the ills of the world, but we do far more than our fair share in terms of aid and military support for oppressed countries.
Soldiers who serve in our armed forces do NOT make military decisions - that is for the politicians. Or do you suggest we scrap our armed forces altogether, lie down and not fight against oppression and blind hatred?

You are the one "whipping up frenzies", frothing at the mouth with wild accusations as to how Britain is bombing the crap out of other countries (that would be for no reason I suppose?). Where is the responsibility of other western nations or is all your vitriol just reserved for Britain? Seriously we should be turning our attentions to the hate filled enemies WITHIN Britain; they are far more dangerous than any far flung ones.

its you claiming we have the best record on immigrants, yet i see no figures from you in such claims.

the army is there to defend britain isant it, now correct me if i am wrong but i cannot remember iraq invading britain. thats what the ministry of defense is isant it, to defend britain, otherwise it would be called the ministry of attack.

i dont have to whip anything up, we have bombed the crap out of kosovo, iraq and afghanistan havant we?

of course we supply arms to 3rd world dictators such as mugabe in the past for example, why would that be einstein?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

its you claiming we have the best record on immigrants, yet i see no figures from you in such claims.

the army is there to defend britain isant it, now correct me if i am wrong but i cannot remember iraq invading britain. thats what the ministry of defense is isant it, to defend britain, otherwise it would be called the ministry of attack.

i dont have to whip anything up, we have bombed the crap out of kosovo, iraq and afghanistan havant we?
of course we supply arms to 3rd world dictators such as mugabe in the past for example, why would that be einstein?

Err no we havent, UK air strikes were used against artillery positions in countries that were the Former Republic of Yugoslavia, yes we used offensive airstrikes in both Iraq and Afghanistan, the UK air force only has two aircraft used in a ground attack role, neither is particularly suited to carpet bombing etc.