[Angus]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

well after bombing the crap out of their countries, we do take them in, promise to rebuild their countries and send them back. but lets not talk about the bombing, killing and maiming millions of innocent people on here eh? lets just whip up frenzies talking about immigrants and benefits.

Instead of just presenting your opinions as fait accomplis, why not engage in some proper debate with facts and figures and drop the patronising slurs?

There is still a deafening silence whilst I wait for a list of countries (or even one) that has a better record on immigration than Britain. We often have to clean up the mess of other western countries, who take a much harder and less sympathetic line towards people they have disenfranchised. And you need to get your wild accusations in synchronisation with actual facts; Britain is not responsible for all the ills of the world, but we do far more than our fair share in terms of aid and military support for oppressed countries.
Soldiers who serve in our armed forces do NOT make military decisions - that is for the politicians. Or do you suggest we scrap our armed forces altogether, lie down and not fight against oppression and blind hatred?

You are the one "whipping up frenzies", frothing at the mouth with wild accusations as to how Britain is bombing the crap out of other countries (that would be for no reason I suppose?). Where is the responsibility of other western nations or is all your vitriol just reserved for Britain? Seriously we should be turning our attentions to the hate filled enemies WITHIN Britain; they are far more dangerous than any far flung ones.

[Eye_Spy]

Originally Posted by angus58

Instead of just presenting your opinions as fait accomplis, why not engage in some proper debate with facts and figures and drop the patronising slurs?

There is still a deafening silence whilst I wait for a list of countries (or even one) that has a better record on immigration than Britain. We often have to clean up the mess of other western countries, who take a much harder and less sympathetic line towards people they have disenfranchised. And you need to get your wild accusations in synchronisation with actual facts; Britain is not responsible for all the ills of the world, but we do far more than our fair share in terms of aid and military support for oppressed countries.
Soldiers who serve in our armed forces do NOT make military decisions - that is for the politicians. Or do you suggest we scrap our armed forces altogether, lie down and not fight against oppression and blind hatred?

You are the one "whipping up frenzies", frothing at the mouth with wild accusations as to how Britain is bombing the crap out of other countries (that would be for no reason I suppose?). Where is the responsibility of other western nations or is all your vitriol just reserved for Britain? Seriously we should be turning our attentions to the hate filled enemies WITHIN Britain; they are far more dangerous than any far flung ones.

its you claiming we have the best record on immigrants, yet i see no figures from you in such claims.

the army is there to defend britain isant it, now correct me if i am wrong but i cannot remember iraq invading britain. thats what the ministry of defense is isant it, to defend britain, otherwise it would be called the ministry of attack.

i dont have to whip anything up, we have bombed the crap out of kosovo, iraq and afghanistan havant we?

of course we supply arms to 3rd world dictators such as mugabe in the past for example, why would that be einstein?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

its you claiming we have the best record on immigrants, yet i see no figures from you in such claims.

the army is there to defend britain isant it, now correct me if i am wrong but i cannot remember iraq invading britain. thats what the ministry of defense is isant it, to defend britain, otherwise it would be called the ministry of attack.

i dont have to whip anything up, we have bombed the crap out of kosovo, iraq and afghanistan havant we?
of course we supply arms to 3rd world dictators such as mugabe in the past for example, why would that be einstein?

Err no we havent, UK air strikes were used against artillery positions in countries that were the Former Republic of Yugoslavia, yes we used offensive airstrikes in both Iraq and Afghanistan, the UK air force only has two aircraft used in a ground attack role, neither is particularly suited to carpet bombing etc.

[Eye_Spy]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Err no we havent, UK air strikes were used against artillery positions in countries that were the Former Republic of Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan, the UK air force only has two aircraft used in a ground attack role, neither is particualr suited to carpet bombing etc.

LOl are you from the disinformation office?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

LOl are you from the disinformation office?

No I thought that was your job.

[Eye_Spy]

Originally Posted by Shasown

No I thought that was your job.

here you go http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...eply&p=3531871

small snippet.

At roughly 7pm (GMT) on Wednesday 24th May 1999, NATO forces in the Mediterranean and Europe launched a sustained bombing strike against Yugoslav military targets in retaliation for the Yugoslavian refusal to abide by agreements made the previous year over Kosovo and to stop repression by military force of the Kosovo people, which had already caused thousands of casualties RAF Harriers of No.1 Squadron and Tristar tankers operating from Italian airfields took part in the campaign,

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

At roughly 7pm (GMT) on Wednesday 24th May 1999, NATO forces in the Mediterranean and Europe launched a sustained bombing strike against Yugoslav military targets in retaliation for the Yugoslavian refusal to abide by agreements made the previous year over Kosovo and to stop repression by military force of the Kosovo people, which had already caused thousands of casualties RAF Harriers of No.1 Squadron and Tristar tankers operating from Italian airfields took part in the campaign,

Ah just seen this....so you are familiar with the historical event then?

So if as you say....we bombed certain Serbian military targets due to the Serbian refusal to abide by agreements made the previous year over Kosovo and to stop repression by military force of the Kosovo people, which had already caused thousands of casualties....how the hell can you say we bombed Kosovo???? And i take it millions were not killed here?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

its you claiming we have the best record on immigrants, yet i see no figures from you in such claims.

the army is there to defend britain isant it, now correct me if i am wrong but i cannot remember iraq invading britain. thats what the ministry of defense is isant it, to defend britain, otherwise it would be called the ministry of attack.

i dont have to whip anything up, we have bombed the crap out of kosovo, iraq and afghanistan havant we?

of course we supply arms to 3rd world dictators such as mugabe in the past for example, why would that be einstein?

I'm not "claiming" anything - the statistics are well documented and there for anyone to see, if they actually want the truth and not their own fantasies. You do know how to google don't you?

But at least in this post, I can spot some semblance of an argument emerging from your ramblings- the fact that our armed forces are deployed to fight oppressive regimes in other parts of the world and thereby bring peace and liberty to those countries, when in fact they should be in existence to merely defend our own borders?

Is that your grievance? There is already a thread on this in "Serious Debates" about whether Britain should be the policeman of the world, and there is not a lot of consensus for turning a blind eye and ignoring the plight of people living under cruel dictatorships.

I repeat, don't blame the servicemen and women, blame the politicians, and make your feelings known via the ballot box, since Britain is still a democracy, last time I looked.

[Eye_Spy]

Originally Posted by angus58

I'm not "claiming" anything - the statistics are well documented and there for anyone to see, if they actually want the truth and not their own fantasies. You do know how to google don't you?

But at least in this post, I can spot some semblance of an argument emerging from your ramblings- the fact that our armed forces are deployed to fight oppressive regimes in other parts of the world and thereby bring peace and liberty to those countries, when in fact they should be in existence to merely defend our own borders?

Is that your grievance? There is already a thread on this in "Serious Debates" about whether Britain should be the policeman of the world, and there is not a lot of consensus for turning a blind eye and ignoring the plight of people living under cruel dictatorships.

I repeat, don't blame the servicemen and women, blame the politicians, and make your feelings known via the ballot box, since Britain is still a democracy, last time I looked.

agreed, its those greedy corrupt politicians, the army are only following orders, just like hitlers gasmen were following orders, so who can blame them right?

the same can be said for the immigration policy, dont blame the immigrants blame the politicians, go to the ballot box

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

the army is there to defend britain isant it, now correct me if i am wrong but i cannot remember iraq invading britain. thats what the ministry of defense is isant it, to defend britain, otherwise it would be called the ministry of attack.
No Iraq invaded Kuwait..OVER OIL.. and we under a coalition backed by the UN kicked them out and then removed the regime once it had murdered a mass of Kurds & Shiites and made it blindingly obvious it was hell bent on more atrocities.

i dont have to whip anything up, we have bombed the crap out of kosovo, iraq and afghanistan havant we?
I think you will find we bombed Serbia as they were slaughtering ethnic Albanians in Kosovo. You really need to educate yourself before spouting garbage.

of course we supply arms to 3rd world dictators such as mugabe in the past for example, why would that be einstein?

100% agree bad policy....but if we didnt arm them and try to influence their internal policies, then some other dickwad would step in.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by angus58

Instead of just presenting your opinions as fait accomplis, why not engage in some proper debate with facts and figures and drop the patronising slurs?

There is still a deafening silence whilst I wait for a list of countries (or even one) that has a better record on immigration than Britain. We often have to clean up the mess of other western countries, who take a much harder and less sympathetic line towards people they have disenfranchised. And you need to get your wild accusations in synchronisation with actual facts; Britain is not responsible for all the ills of the world, but we do far more than our fair share in terms of aid and military support for oppressed countries.
Soldiers who serve in our armed forces do NOT make military decisions - that is for the politicians. Or do you suggest we scrap our armed forces altogether, lie down and not fight against oppression and blind hatred?

You are the one "whipping up frenzies", frothing at the mouth with wild accusations as to how Britain is bombing the crap out of other countries (that would be for no reason I suppose?). Where is the responsibility of other western nations or is all your vitriol just reserved for Britain? Seriously we should be turning our attentions to the hate filled enemies WITHIN Britain; they are far more dangerous than any far flung ones.

I'm going to save myself some time and just start tacking "I agree" on the end of your posts LOL...